About this convo: http://anonymous159.blogspot.com/2013/01/conversation-with-atheist.html
[6:59:42 PM | Edited 6:59:51 PM] Gene: this other atheist was also really mean towards and told me like im barely a human being because i cant forgive people(i cant forgive because im mentally ill and have emotional problems) and that i am an asshole and has hubris. here read this please and tell me wat u think: "Atheist guy:You truly don't get it.
Every human being is deserving of love, care, and help, including those who wrong us in the worst ways. A human being unable to forgive is only a shadow of their own pain, barely considered a human being at all.
I concluded you were both an asshole and had hubris the moment I met you
atheist guy:You don't need me anymore. Delete me and move on to someone more willing to help you. But just as the bible says The Lord helps those who help themselves, I'd rather help those who help themselves. You, someone who feeds on the help of others like a leech, filling your own craving for attention, needs to break free from your own mental bondage, but that it is only possible for someone who can learn detachment and return to the center and discover their inner truth. No one can hold your hand through it.
You are not in need of my help. Therefore, I'd like you delete me to drive the point that you require to fix
yourself home and that NO ONE can help or love you until you learn to do so yourself."
[7:03:36 PM] Kevin Bouma: That guy seems very religious knowing those kinda texts. It is weird how he judges you without knowing you as a person.
Forgiveness is a role that is big, but if you can't do it for some reason then people should respect it. If you want help with learning forgiveness you are the one who needs to want help with it. They cant force you to. He is being unrespectfull specialy if he know aboout your illness
[7:04:17 PM] Gene: he is an atheist and a buddhist who rejects the religious part of buddhism
[7:04:47 PM] Gene: we talked a few times online
[7:04:52 PM] Gene: we met online
[7:05:11 PM] Gene: while the other guy p2 and i knew each other very well in real life
[7:05:35 PM] Kevin Bouma: how can you believe in buddism without the religious part
Thursday, January 28, 2016
Comments on conversation with him
This is comments on conversation with him here: http://anonymous159.blogspot.com/2011/11/conversation-with-him.html
[6:15:14 AM] Kevin Bouma: My honest opinion is that P2 is a bit selfcentered. He is not being respectfull towards other religions or people at all. The whole part of not trying to convince other people to join his way of thinking is understandable, but instead he bashes people´s religion saying they are dumb. He even does this to athiest, who don´t even believe in a higher power.
I honestly think that is very shortsighted. Specialy in a world that is very multicultural now. A lot of religions are together in the same countries. I also think that converting someone is just part of the religion someone practices. I have 2 friends who are Christian and they are missionaries here. They do there thing, I am just not interested in it.
Also about the whole smart and genius in the conversation, I must honestly say it´s a bit stupid. Both P1 and P2 made a lot of grammar errors.. And I assume english is your native language. In my personal opinion, you cannot measure how smart someone is. The school system is just a test of memory. This isn't what makes a person smart. Also the term genius is dropped a lot in this conversation. I think genius comes at many different levels. But to call one self a genius is a bit weird. Usually someone is called a genius after achieving something amazing. Like inventing or finding out something new to mankind, but also people who have an extraordinary talent in whatever field they are good at.
These are the comments about this conversations: http://anonymous159.blogspot.com/2011/11/conversation-with-him.html
I honestly don't know what you are expecting me to get out of this conversation so be free to give me more specific questions. My conclusion is that the whole conversation was mostly brought negative by P2 who tried so hard to claim being a genius and bash on religions. I don't know which was your role in the conversation, but this is my opinion.
If you wish to pay me then I would highly appriciate it, as I am currently still unemployed and every little bit helps. But it's your choice. The e-mail for it would be BBTyson@gmail.com.
[4:45:02 PM] Gene: hey!
[4:45:16 PM] Gene: that e-mail for paypal payment?
[4:45:57 PM] Gene: i will send once u confirm it
[4:46:06 PM | Edited 4:46:15 PM] Gene: yeah i appreciate this but i will appreciate if u told me more. i can give u more info
[4:47:19 PM] Gene: see i am p1 and that conversation i consider a fight(which was terrible one-sided since p2 kept attacking my religion and calling me things stupid(said that several times), selfish, ugly(next conversation with him)
[4:47:22 PM] Gene: he is a CHRISTIAN
[4:47:28 PM] Gene: christians have a violent history
[4:48:14 PM] Gene: so many persecutions of jews, atheists etc..., wars with muslims and others, abuses etc... the christians were once themselves being persecuted
[4:48:37 PM] Gene: it's a shame some christians today STILL want to persecture other religionists and people of other christian sects
[4:49:05 PM] Gene: this isnt the only time he started fights/arguments with me and insulted my religion
[4:59:58 PM] Gene: hey get back to me and my queries wen ure available please!!
[5:35:31 PM] Kevin Bouma: Give me a second gonna grab something to eat
[5:35:36 PM] Kevin Bouma: Then I will read what you typed
[5:38:44 PM] Kevin Bouma: Ok let me read what you said now :)
[5:39:46 PM] Kevin Bouma: Yes that's my PayPal email.
[5:40:07 PM] Kevin Bouma: I find it weird for him to be fighting being a christian and bashing other religions so hard
[5:40:19 PM] Kevin Bouma: He is weird and disrepectfull.
[5:40:46 PM] Kevin Bouma: From how I read it I wouldn't have thought he would be Christian.
[5:50:47 PM] Kevin Bouma: But beside that fact, it's against christian believe to actually be like that disrespectfull. And I totally don't understand his point about not converting then, that's one of the most mentioned things in the bible (I haven't read it, but I know a lot about it from christian school i attended). He is also missing the part of his religion which clearly states to love and be kind towards everyone.
[5:54:14 PM] Kevin Bouma: Correct me if I am wrong, but you are jewish right? I mean, I don't know why, but jews have Always seem to be the target of these kinda bullying from other religions. I mean even the big war is going on in the middle east now, with Islamtic State. They are at war with the west (mostly christians). Yet they have said that there will be no more jews.. Even tough this war nearly has no jewish involvment beside the biggest jewish country being near the warfront.
[5:54:56 PM] Kevin Bouma: You queries aren't sharp enough to go into them completly, but you should try to avoid people like that. I think you took the right steps by blocking him.
[5:56:54 PM] Gene: oh hey!
[5:56:59 PM] Gene: sorry i went out that time
[5:57:05 PM] Gene: thanks for ur answers
[5:57:18 PM] Gene: im jewish but i believe in things that are different
[5:57:24 PM] Gene: i still consider myself jewish
[5:58:50 PM] Gene: jews behave better if u havent realized it. they dont convert others, they dont say others deserve going to hell(jews believe no one deserves going to hell), they dont persecute people, they dont have a history of violence. in the middle east the arabs are picking on jews, jews are only defending themselves
[6:44:42 PM] Kevin Bouma: P2 is dumb just bashing. I think you kept your cool well and handled it very well.
[6:45:06 PM] Kevin Bouma: P2 was just out to make you angry and make fun of your religion
[6:45:54 PM] Gene: yeah but later i became VERY upset and now i am still upset many years(i think i can forgive him due to my mental illness). i also told him never to deal with me ever again
[6:46:48 PM] Kevin Bouma: Its understandable to be upset I mean they are bashing on something that is precious to you. Something that is part of your life and of you.
[6:47:26 PM] Kevin Bouma: The forgiveness part is up to you. I think people deserve a new chance but if they slip again then its done. Because you deserve to be treated with respect
[6:47:50 PM] Kevin Bouma: threated or treated I dont know for sure
[6:48:33 PM] Gene: he attacked my religion and practice intolerance many times. wen i identified myself as a jew and then as a spiritual jew
[6:50:04 PM] Gene: see vocal atheists dont get it. they highly criticize religious folks and the religious folks become very upset. its because to religious people their religion is a part of their identity and its like questioning their identity; the basis for wat the religious folks are. no one would get offended if u criticize wat flavor of ice cream they like as that is not wat the people identify themselves with, but religion is.
[6:52:37 PM] Kevin Bouma: Yeah I understand what you mean. Religion is a big part of the life of someone whos is religious. People should respect it not bash on it. Its part of the way you lead your life and affects the choices you make in life. I dont get why people cant just respect that. Also I know that all religions teach about acceptance and loving other human beings. And yet you see these hate people coming forward bashing other religions instead of just living together.
[6:56:36 PM] Kevin Bouma: Like I said earlier, you did the right thing. Blocking him off. You need postive people in your life not negative
Another thing is that when I asked this on yahoo! answers years ago(it's deleted now), the one answered said I(Eugene Kizhner, P1) was smart and made sense while him(Eugene Neverov, P2) was a complete dumbass. It's true! I remember it
[6:15:14 AM] Kevin Bouma: My honest opinion is that P2 is a bit selfcentered. He is not being respectfull towards other religions or people at all. The whole part of not trying to convince other people to join his way of thinking is understandable, but instead he bashes people´s religion saying they are dumb. He even does this to athiest, who don´t even believe in a higher power.
I honestly think that is very shortsighted. Specialy in a world that is very multicultural now. A lot of religions are together in the same countries. I also think that converting someone is just part of the religion someone practices. I have 2 friends who are Christian and they are missionaries here. They do there thing, I am just not interested in it.
Also about the whole smart and genius in the conversation, I must honestly say it´s a bit stupid. Both P1 and P2 made a lot of grammar errors.. And I assume english is your native language. In my personal opinion, you cannot measure how smart someone is. The school system is just a test of memory. This isn't what makes a person smart. Also the term genius is dropped a lot in this conversation. I think genius comes at many different levels. But to call one self a genius is a bit weird. Usually someone is called a genius after achieving something amazing. Like inventing or finding out something new to mankind, but also people who have an extraordinary talent in whatever field they are good at.
These are the comments about this conversations: http://anonymous159.blogspot.com/2011/11/conversation-with-him.html
I honestly don't know what you are expecting me to get out of this conversation so be free to give me more specific questions. My conclusion is that the whole conversation was mostly brought negative by P2 who tried so hard to claim being a genius and bash on religions. I don't know which was your role in the conversation, but this is my opinion.
If you wish to pay me then I would highly appriciate it, as I am currently still unemployed and every little bit helps. But it's your choice. The e-mail for it would be BBTyson@gmail.com.
[4:45:02 PM] Gene: hey!
[4:45:16 PM] Gene: that e-mail for paypal payment?
[4:45:57 PM] Gene: i will send once u confirm it
[4:46:06 PM | Edited 4:46:15 PM] Gene: yeah i appreciate this but i will appreciate if u told me more. i can give u more info
[4:47:19 PM] Gene: see i am p1 and that conversation i consider a fight(which was terrible one-sided since p2 kept attacking my religion and calling me things stupid(said that several times), selfish, ugly(next conversation with him)
[4:47:22 PM] Gene: he is a CHRISTIAN
[4:47:28 PM] Gene: christians have a violent history
[4:48:14 PM] Gene: so many persecutions of jews, atheists etc..., wars with muslims and others, abuses etc... the christians were once themselves being persecuted
[4:48:37 PM] Gene: it's a shame some christians today STILL want to persecture other religionists and people of other christian sects
[4:49:05 PM] Gene: this isnt the only time he started fights/arguments with me and insulted my religion
[4:59:58 PM] Gene: hey get back to me and my queries wen ure available please!!
[5:35:31 PM] Kevin Bouma: Give me a second gonna grab something to eat
[5:35:36 PM] Kevin Bouma: Then I will read what you typed
[5:38:44 PM] Kevin Bouma: Ok let me read what you said now :)
[5:39:46 PM] Kevin Bouma: Yes that's my PayPal email.
[5:40:07 PM] Kevin Bouma: I find it weird for him to be fighting being a christian and bashing other religions so hard
[5:40:19 PM] Kevin Bouma: He is weird and disrepectfull.
[5:40:46 PM] Kevin Bouma: From how I read it I wouldn't have thought he would be Christian.
[5:50:47 PM] Kevin Bouma: But beside that fact, it's against christian believe to actually be like that disrespectfull. And I totally don't understand his point about not converting then, that's one of the most mentioned things in the bible (I haven't read it, but I know a lot about it from christian school i attended). He is also missing the part of his religion which clearly states to love and be kind towards everyone.
[5:54:14 PM] Kevin Bouma: Correct me if I am wrong, but you are jewish right? I mean, I don't know why, but jews have Always seem to be the target of these kinda bullying from other religions. I mean even the big war is going on in the middle east now, with Islamtic State. They are at war with the west (mostly christians). Yet they have said that there will be no more jews.. Even tough this war nearly has no jewish involvment beside the biggest jewish country being near the warfront.
[5:54:56 PM] Kevin Bouma: You queries aren't sharp enough to go into them completly, but you should try to avoid people like that. I think you took the right steps by blocking him.
[5:56:54 PM] Gene: oh hey!
[5:56:59 PM] Gene: sorry i went out that time
[5:57:05 PM] Gene: thanks for ur answers
[5:57:18 PM] Gene: im jewish but i believe in things that are different
[5:57:24 PM] Gene: i still consider myself jewish
[5:58:50 PM] Gene: jews behave better if u havent realized it. they dont convert others, they dont say others deserve going to hell(jews believe no one deserves going to hell), they dont persecute people, they dont have a history of violence. in the middle east the arabs are picking on jews, jews are only defending themselves
[6:44:42 PM] Kevin Bouma: P2 is dumb just bashing. I think you kept your cool well and handled it very well.
[6:45:06 PM] Kevin Bouma: P2 was just out to make you angry and make fun of your religion
[6:45:54 PM] Gene: yeah but later i became VERY upset and now i am still upset many years(i think i can forgive him due to my mental illness). i also told him never to deal with me ever again
[6:46:48 PM] Kevin Bouma: Its understandable to be upset I mean they are bashing on something that is precious to you. Something that is part of your life and of you.
[6:47:26 PM] Kevin Bouma: The forgiveness part is up to you. I think people deserve a new chance but if they slip again then its done. Because you deserve to be treated with respect
[6:47:50 PM] Kevin Bouma: threated or treated I dont know for sure
[6:48:33 PM] Gene: he attacked my religion and practice intolerance many times. wen i identified myself as a jew and then as a spiritual jew
[6:50:04 PM] Gene: see vocal atheists dont get it. they highly criticize religious folks and the religious folks become very upset. its because to religious people their religion is a part of their identity and its like questioning their identity; the basis for wat the religious folks are. no one would get offended if u criticize wat flavor of ice cream they like as that is not wat the people identify themselves with, but religion is.
[6:52:37 PM] Kevin Bouma: Yeah I understand what you mean. Religion is a big part of the life of someone whos is religious. People should respect it not bash on it. Its part of the way you lead your life and affects the choices you make in life. I dont get why people cant just respect that. Also I know that all religions teach about acceptance and loving other human beings. And yet you see these hate people coming forward bashing other religions instead of just living together.
[6:56:36 PM] Kevin Bouma: Like I said earlier, you did the right thing. Blocking him off. You need postive people in your life not negative
Another thing is that when I asked this on yahoo! answers years ago(it's deleted now), the one answered said I(Eugene Kizhner, P1) was smart and made sense while him(Eugene Neverov, P2) was a complete dumbass. It's true! I remember it
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