Gene: Hey, I know you from Dewey. I found you through looking at Dewey people on Facebook. I am looking to reconnect with people from Dewey. I saw you around Dewey and outside too and you seem like an interesting person. I hope what happened in the past between us wouldn't ruin what our friendship in the future. If you want to talk about that I can explain everything. It wasn't what it looked like, assuming you thought it was what it looked like. I'm pretty sure I saw you with that girl Nika. Please don't listen to what she had to say, she was harassing me and lying to people about me. You look like a nice person and I just want to get to know you better. I am a good person. I am not a creep, or obsessed or a stalker etc... I am a bit shy of talking to you in real life but I can talk to you if you wish. Don't be afraid of me, I have good intentions. I'll now send you a friend request. If you have any interest in me, please accept. Thanks for your time!
April 24
Gene: Hey, did you receive my last message? In case you didn't basically I sent you a message asking for friendship. I was waiting for a reply. I do not see why we shouldn't get to know each other. Maybe we'll have a good time. Next time I'll see you I'll try to talk to you but I am shy. Don't worry you won't have problems being friends with me I am a good guy. I can guarantee you I'm not a bad person.
Yesterday
Gene: The truth is that I became interested in you when I saw you outside years ago and you were staring at me almost every time. So I got that you are interested in me. Thanks. I'm flattered. You seem like a good person to me so I'm interested in you. But why do you not try to ever connect to me or when I ask you for friendship you push me away? That's not fair neither to you nor to me. If you become friends with me you might get what you're looking for. Obviously you are looking for something as you have an interest in me. I think you still like me but are too insecure to do anything. You have other friends, I'm sure but you are too afraid to be with me. Why is that? Ultimately I'm getting hurt because of what you do to me. And you are blowing your chances to find what are you looking for, as you seem to see something in me that you like very much. You're hurting yourself too. I won't talk to you in real life for being shy and being afraid of being rejected again. Please stop feeling insecure and stop pushing me away. Find the strength to take a risk, take a chance. I'm just trying to help both of us here. Please give me a chance there's no risk, no loss and the possibility of us having a good future together. I am just trying to do what is right. I do not believe you wish to hurt me but I have been hurt by and a lot by your friend-at-the-time Nika. Just listen to your heart and I think it tells you to give me a chance.
but I have been hurt by you*
Rita: OK seriously ENOUGH! I am not interested in you, this is creapy, you are creapy, leave me alone, I don't want to be friends nor did I ever wanted. Seriously get a life and stop bothering me!
Gene: Okay that was very rude. I am not creepy. But for some reason you were staring at me a lot years back. How do you explain that?
Rita: No I wasn't, you did the same thing to old friend Nika didn't leave her alone. Just stay away!
Gene: No! NIKA came onto ME until I ended up liking her just like I did you. YOU liked me. You WERE staring at me. Acknowledge it! Almost every time I passed you I saw you like 0.0 at me even when I didn't look at you. I am beginning to think you're as bad as your friend Nika. I am trying to do what is right. But you keeping wronging me.
Rita: Oh he'll no she didn't, she was creaped out by you, and trust I wasn't staring. And no I don't like you I can't stand you, so leave it be move on and get a life
Gene: Nika was also staring at me in the subway which caused me to talk to her and she told me I was a stalker. But you know what happened weeks afterwards? SHE COMES UP TO ME AND TO MY FACE SAYS HI. And then I was talking to a friend and YOU and NIKA both made loud noises and ran because you both saw me talking to a friend. Now how can I prove you two did it to harass me? Because YOU looked back to see if I had seen you. If you and Nika wanted nothing to do with me why do you both keep asking me for attention. I am 100% certain you were staring at me and either you're lying or you can't remember. You kept staring at me for months or years and then I send you a message and you STOP STARING AT ME. I have my life to live but I think you're an ass who kept staring at me to harass me. Either you like me and act bad to me because you have psychological disorders like Nika or just an ass or whatever.
Rita: Your the one with a phsychological disorder, just because someone is staring that doesn't mean they like you. I'm not an ass I'm just honesty there's a difference
Gene: No staring at someone for months or years is like stalking. You were stalking me!
Rita: HA! your the stalker! I don't even remember seeing u in high school except like twice. And stalking someone is following them everywhere, which I don't do
Gene: Yeah then you can't call me a stalker either as I was never following anyone everywhere ever. But for some reason YOU kept staring at me outside. I don't have a clue why you're being so mean to me all the time.
Gene: Now listen to me and you listen good. There's billions of people in the world that you can fuck with. You chose me. I was very nice to you. But even if you did like me and now just being mean to me, I think I have still seen your true colors. I KNOW you stared at me. That is the truth! Obviously even if you weren't fucking with me then then you are fucking with me now. But let me get to the point. IF YOU OR YOUR FRIEND NIKA EVER FUCK WITH ME AGAIN I WILL COME THERE AND I WILL FUCK YOU UP. I WILL BREAK ALL YOUR BONES, I WILL RAPE YOU, I WILL CRIPPLE YOU OR PERHAPS EVEN KILL YOU. AND YOUR STUPID FRIEND NIKA!!! I WILL MAKE YOU SUFFER SO MUCH YOU WILL REGRET THE DAY YOU WERE BORN. IF YOU STARE AT ME ONE MORE TIME I WILL CUT ALL YOUR LIMBS AND YOU'LL BE WITHOUT ARMS AND LEGS WHICH YOU DESERVE. JUST FUCK WITH ME ONE MORE TIME. I DARE YOU!!! BECAUSE WHAT I WILL DO I WILL DO IT WITH PLEASURE. JUST STARE AT ME ONE MORE TIME. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. AT THE VERY LEAST I'LL REPORT YOU TO THE POLICE BUT THAT'S WAY WAY WAY TOO NICE TO DO IT. YOU'RE A HORRIBLE MENTALLY ILL PIECE OF SHIT. YOU DO NOTHING BUT HURT OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE NICE TO YOU. JUST LIKE YOUR PIECE OF SHIT FRIEND NIKA!!! THE WORLD IS MUCH BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOUR TYPE. I HOPE YOU DIE SOON BAD, EVIL THING. I HOPE YOU SPEND THE REST OF YOUR LIFE ALONE. AND THEN REALIZE HOW BADLY YOU TREATED OTHER PEOPLE AND IN YOUR DEATHBED REGRET AND FEEL DEEP GUILT AND GRIEF FOR ALL THE PEOPLE YOU'VE HURT. THE SAME GOES FOR YOUR FRIEND NIKA. YOU BETTER STAY AWAY FROM ME OR I WILL FUCK YOU UP. NO MORE MR. NICE GUY. I WILL PROTECT EVERY NICE PERSON I AM AROUND INCLUDING MYSELF. YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK FROM NOW ON YOU FUCKING ATTENTION WHORE!!!!
4:09pm
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Okay I must apologize for what I did. I didn't mean to. I'm sorry. I was just really upset. But it wasn't all my fault. I am partially to blame and I think so are you but you know who is most to place? PSYCHICS! The same with Nika, the stupid fraudalent psychic pieces of shit lied to me and made me to crazy things I would not have done otherwise. I am sorry for making you feel bad. But I was exploited, manipulated, used and deceived. YOU ARE NOT IN ANY DANGER!! I WILL NOT HURT YOU!!!! I found out the truth now. I know you now hate me and are afraid of me but I want you to know it wasn't all my fault. Yes I'm wrong for what I did. But I promise you that I will definitely leave you alone forever now. Those charlatans will pay dearly for causing me and other people such problems!! YOU DO NOT LIKE ME!!!! I was fooled! They said you liked me but were too insecure to talk to me. I believed that and they also said I should talk to you which I did. I have sinned now. Because of these evil people I had problems with you and Nika. I WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THIS IF IT WEREN'T FOR THEM!!! I am so sorry. I will not ask you for friendship anymore. I will not bother you anymore. I am really sorry for what I did and feel guilt and remorse because of it. I was being irrational. Nothing made sense to me. I also have mental illness and I obsess over things easily. I thought about you more than a normal person should think about another. I may have been obsessed with you. I kept returning to seeing your facebook because I had such high hopes and expectations from our relationship. But the more the scammers lied to me the more wrong I did to you. I am not a bad person but I have sinned in doing all these things to you. I will never go to those frauds again. Even my friend was dishonest with me. Do not fear me as I won't carry out those threats I made against you. I can't believe I did that. I told my psychiatrist and therapist what I did. I have fucked up. I was so wrong.
I AM SORRY!!!! EVERYTHING I DID TO YOU IS WRONG. IT IS ALL MY FAULT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE FOREVER NOW. I WILL NOT BOTHER YOU AGAIN.
Saturday, April 27, 2013
Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Conversation with Atheist
New Ager:hi
Atheist: sup man
New Ager: im watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySgYWzEJaxU&list=FLBiKQemnKJY5jgVh8iZk2Tg&index=14&feature=plpp_video
im also reading spirituality and talking on omegle
Atheist: makin lunch atm, watching that vid now
New Ager: cool
Atheist: that really doesn't say anything about whether or not new age belief systems are any better than old age religions unfortunately.
It uses the same logic religion does as a matter of fact and that is: "Know it because you feel it" as opposed to: Here are facts about the psychology of a human, govt, religion, society, and how it all works against itself...
you are a seeker of knowledge and truth?
New Ager: it talks about whether new age is new world order
Atheist: then look for studies, tests, verifiable sources
yea, it didn't really tell me anything about it though. I mean, it was just a rehash of old shit with bad music lol
I am making lunch so my responses will be back and forth
New Ager: im not sure i believe modern science can prove anything metaphysical. around my circle we believe in astrology but science can't prove that either. you can't measure it. you can measure astronomy but not astrology
I have a problem. i strongly believe in god. and i believe my experiences and other things are evidences for god. but atheists are not impressed and still do not believe me. and they use logic and reason to explain why those are
not proof of god. and part of me agrees with that. but another part tells me god does exist. so i have conflicting
feelings that torture me. i don't like to not believe in god. yet at the same time it makes some sense to me. its
perhaps mind vs heart
Atheist: there is nothing wrong with agnosticism you know
the belief that you just don't know
you can't prove it one way or another
New Ager: but i believe god can and should be proven
Atheist: if you want a real debate with far more responses to your questions regarding the metaphysical, astrology, new age beliefs, etc, you should go to reddit
if god were real, wouldn't there be some proof of him
verifiable, unquestionable truth?
he wants us all to know him yet leaves no sign of himself besides a book written by man
New Ager: but i don't believe in the abraham god so its not like that
Atheist: http://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnAtheist/search?q=debate+skeptics&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on
http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/search?q=debate+skeptics&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on
two sub reddits
almost done makin lunch, bbiab
New Ager:i don't know why i don't like debating atheists. maybe i can't beat them or they don't get it or something else
you left
Atheist:nah just finished eating
Atheist:oh it says you're offline
Atheist: if you are looking for truth, then your debates should not be about winning, they should be about discovery
if you are trying to win the argument, essentially, you have already decided what you want to believe regardless of the evidence
New Ager:i heard that the brain is wired to win not to seek truth
Atheist: yea....no lol
a person who is caught up in their beliefs will shut out evidence yes, but a truly inquisitive person will seek the truth regardless of whether it fits into their worldview
and if your brain is tying to win, then take control of it and learn to learn =]
New Ager: i think im not a truth seeker i just want to believe in my god
Atheist: listen man, the ideas of new age religions, personal gods, crystal healing, astrology, psychics....there is no proof for any of it when tested. When the only evidence one can find of its existence is from other psychics, astrologers, crystal energy advocates etc, that is a major problem
if it worked science would embrace it and use it
if it worked there would be a great use for it no?
I mean, imagine being able to know what is going to happen to you in the year, or in the day, that is some pretty useful stuff...science would be all over it
or imagine new age energy being used in medicine, personal growth etc, science would love to have that as a tool
New Ager:astrology so far described everyone i know perfectly
Atheist:there is a simple recipe for astrology
and it uses vauge remarks that fit anyone
I can look at libra and see many of the traits that suit me, and many that do not
I can do the same for pisces, taurus, etc
New Ager:they fit people strongly
Atheist:you are hurting my brain man
this is a sham, its as old as society
New Ager:im sure i get into good debates with you because you're a libra
Atheist:lol....no my new friend, its because you are looking for something and I have a decent answer for at least a bit of it =]
New Ager:my only conclusion is that science can't prove the metaphysical so it must be proven in other ways
Atheist:when a person gets turned onto an idea, they research that idea as it seems you have with things such as astrology yes?
have you ever spent months researching to disprove it?
that would be the scientific method to go about this
and if there was a way to prove the metaphysical, science would find a way
think about ghost hunters, psychics, crystal healers
New Ager: nope
Atheist:there are ways to test and see if they are effectve
and over the decades, they have been proven false
once some one is in a controlled environment, they can't bend spoons, their predictions are found false, and their energy healing does not work
if that shit is real, try to disprove it. there are sooo many studies to refer to
you will find that not once has there been any case for the metaphysical
outside of people saying "well I know this guy who..." okay, look up the guy, find information that says this is so
what about these people getting "cured" by cancer using reikki or crystal healing....where is the proof? If it is so real, there would be a report on it
you have to question these things
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/living/the-scientific-case-against-astrology
an article about science debunking astrology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk
derrin brown showing how he uses the psychology of astrology
New Ager: i can't let go of these beliefs i must be broken
Atheist:you haven't even tried to prove them false....you have given up before even trying
New Ager:im too weak to let this go
Atheist:if a belief is to be held as truth it will be able to stand in light of criticism.
and to say that is to give up dude
New Ager: well then you're right and i'm wrong
Atheist:what you are saying is, I am going to choose to be ignorant of the truth because the lie makes me feel good. If the lie makes you feel so good then why are you even searching for truth? Because you KNOW that there is more to the world than you have been led to believe
New Ager:damn my laptop is super lag
Atheist:all you have to do is read a bit bro. If you spent the time you do trying to prove your beliefs researching the alternative, you can easily set your mind free of this rubbish
watch that derrin brown video I linked
its like 8 min, and I am telling you, look up cold reading
once you know what cold reading is, and really understand it, all this astrology/psychic bs is transparent
and cold reading is not hard to understand, its quite simple
did you watch the derren brown video?
I also just realized something
New Ager:right now all im concerned about is improving my mental health
Atheist:its not that you are too weak, you are just afraid of what it means
if you are concerned about your mental health, then you should be concerned about getting the right treatment and not wasting your money or time with bullshit
being deluded by charlatans is going to cause you more grief than you know. I have a story for you....
one of my ex's has a gay father who used to go to a psychic in Chicago where we lived
New Ager:i am getting the proper treatment but its not working well so i will use natural as well
Atheist:he was a rich guy and went to a "top notch" psychic. Paid hundreds of dollars per session and saw her 5 times a week
the lady filled his head with what the problem was to the point that he lost his fortune, his family, his life partner of 20 years
she turned him against his own life
he died last month
New Ager:he died because of that?
Atheist:but thankfully in January with the little money he had left, he went to a woman named Byron Katie in California, realized what had happened as a result of his new age beliefs and was at least able to reconcile with his family before he died
no he died from natural causes
the point is, this woman was a nationally renowned psychic and she completely fucked up the mans life pretending like she knew what was going on with him, pretending to read the stars and his future
New Ager:so the psychic said he had some kind of a spiritual problem only the psychic with lots of money paid to her could cure?
Atheist:yes, he said that "this" problem" was because of his daughter taking advantage and the tarot cards confirm it, and "this" problem" was because his lifepartner was doing "____" and the stars confirm it, "this" problem" is because your sons are "____" and the crystals tell me this....
these people may or may not believe in their "powers" but one thing is for certain, they don't have any and it causes more harm then good because you are then shutting out the ability to get to the TRUTH of the issue
New Ager:that's horrible
Atheist:this is a true story that I watched unfold right in front of me
I dated her for over a year when the worst of it was happening
New Ager:i remember telling you on omegle how the psychics caused me psychological damage because of their bs about a girl that was playing mind games on me
Atheist:matter of fact, I just got off the phone with her this afternoon cuz she called to wish me a happy birthday and I learned that her father had passed 2 weeks back
THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!
you have already experienced their complete and utter bs and the destructiveness it can cause in your life
now that was just a girl in highschool
imagine it was your wife, or your career at stake
New ager:i wil never forgive those frauds causing me damage by lying to me and i will never forgive the girl for playing games on me.i am still mad at her
Atheist:look man
go watch derren brown
you are sitting on the internet doing nothing more than chatting
watch the link I sent you
its entertaining and amazing stuff
he talks about all sorts of psychological tricks that are played on people
NEw Ager:tell me how exactly do psychics ruin your life except just taking money from you?
Atheist:watch the show he does called the nature of belief
(I think thats the name of it)
I just did man
and you have already seen what happens when you listen to a psychic
the story of my ex's father, and you with the girl
New Ager:i don't know how exactly psychics fuck up your relationship with your family
Atheist:its simple
if I pretend that I know what advice you need to live your life as assumed by metaphysical powers, even if I believe that I have them, I give you life advice based on trust. You trust that I know what I am talking about....and when I am wrong because I tell you not to worry about what they think, just chew on this root, or tell you to ostracize people from your life, or just give you bad advice because I am not a psychologist and I don't have any training in understanding how to help others fix their problems, you fuck up your life for listening to me
I am beginning to think you are trolling me dude...
New Ager:tell me how. btw i once lost $100 from a psychic who said she could cure my mental illness. i was so stupid. i paid her unreliably too through western union which is a bad way to deal with business. so i wait and nothing happens. i go back to her she said there is a problem. there is another spell put on me and she has to get rid of that first. excuse me! but she promised there would be an improvement. it didn't happen! and if there was something she should have known anyway. there's no way would i fall for that bs again. so i didn't go back.
Atheist:I mean come on man
a spell on you>?
New Ager:i am NOT trolling you but i can't let go of my religion
Atheist:and you are having a hard time not believing this shit?
its not your religion, its a belief system
I can't sit here and argue this much longer man. I would love to talk about it further, but until you do some research to the contrary this is just going to go around in circles
stop thinking about how hard it is to over come your beiliefs and just read up on the contrary evidence against it
simply watching Derren brown videos on youtube will blow your mind
and they are really entertaining as well as enlightening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk
just watch that
New ager:im an intelligent guy im sure i will get it when watching the videos
Atheist:I am sure you will too
you already have enough bad experiences with this shit to open your mind
enjoy some derren brown, he is really fun to watch
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&oq=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3...2885579.2888141.0.2888300.16.16.0.0.0.0.167.2055.4j12.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.mJvwB-EqqBY
when you are done with that video, watch this one on "the nature of belief" also by derren, split into like 8 vidz
New Ager:Damm my browser crashed
Im talking thru cp trying to restore opera
Atheist:yikes
the links should still be in chat when you get it back up and running
New Ager:im back
but opera still laggy
Atheist:=]
New Ager:i feel that hypnosis used to be a pseudoscience that because a proven science
became*
Atheist:its psychology, not really a science
New Ager:sounds like something new agers would practice before science understood it
Atheist:they use it in all sorts of ways actually
putting people in trance states to induce belief that what is going on is working, when its no more than the power of suggestion
New Ager:yes i know
i think even with all this skepticism i would become an atheist. i think religion is in the brain
Atheist:that is the correct assertion
religion is in the brai
brain*
New Ager:i mean there is a part of your brain that makes you religious
Atheist:not that makes you religious
but it looks for patterns
New Ager:maybe a deficiency of the frontal cortex the part of logic i believe
Atheist:some patterns are more complex than others
religion is a simple pattern so its easy to believe
every is due to "X"
New Ager:i know one thing: we will all find out eventually. too bad we won't be able to tell others. we will all die and know if there is a god or not
so astral projection is just lucid dreaming???
Atheist:yep
which is cool and all. but it dont solve shit
lol
New Ager:are you sure you truly APed and not just a dream where you think you are APing?
Atheist:I am sure that for 3 years while I was locked up in a room all I did was practice AP
New Ager:then why do all these AP people keep on saying its an awesome experience and proves the afterlife and blah blah blah?
Atheist:lucid dreaming is cool, its fun
takes a long time to get any good at it
but just because a bunch of people say its true, doesn't make it so
if you follow that line of thought you should be a muslim, a christian, a jew, and hindu
not just one, but all of them
they all say it is true, they have no proof
AP has been around for 50 years almost now
in pop culture at least
if there were any validity to it, we would be using it
keep watching derren brown man
watch the nature of belief
New Ager:i would really like to see you or someone like you debate a big new ager
if i could read about it or something i would be happier and could make up my mind better
Atheist:all the info you are looking for is out there
start a thread on reddit to the two forums I posted
ask for help in finding good evidence
New Ager:i saw them. there isn't much there
Atheist:they will gladly post everything under the sun
New Ager:the dalai lama said if science disproved reincarnation/rebirth the buddhists would stop believing it
Atheist:actually the dalai lama said that he is convinced that we need to think about the world in some other way beyond religion
http://io9.com/5942616/dalai-lama-tells-his-facebook-friends-that-religion-is-no-longer-adequate
New Ager:im sure i can find a good theist vs atheist debate. there's those out there all the time. but what about a skeptic debating a new ager?
Atheist:DUDE
just watch derren brown
it explains ALL
seriously
New Ager:i will
Atheist:just watch the guy
like now
New Ager:im just constantly busy
Atheist:stop asking questions that you can answer easily yourself
New Ager:no i can't answer them
Atheist:you can, you just have to do the research
New Ager:i'll look for proof and for skepticism
Atheist:thats the ticket
New Ager:what do you think of the great souls like Qauatzelcoatl, Hermes Trismegistus, Jesus Christ, Krishna and Gautama Buddha?
Atheist:stories embodying what we think of when we imagine the divine
New Ager:so you mean they never existed?
Atheist:I think it is possible that the individual may have existed in some way, may have been a good set of guys, but sure as hell did not re-incarnate, walk on water, perform miracles, or anything like that
and while I think it could be possible they MAY have existed, I do not believe that they did
New Ager:you know what i wish? i wish that a great soul would come to earth at THIS time and perform miracles so we can scientifically prove them
Atheist:Jesus for example is not recorded anywhere in in the history of the world
not one schoar, historian, police report, judge, nothing
and they actually kept a really good record of the "prophets" back in that day
New Ager:i saw some WEAK evidence that jesus existed
Atheist:how about you be that great soul
prove miracles exist by being an amazing person and helping others
like the shroud of turrin weak?
lol
New Ager:i want supernatural miracles just like those great people
Atheist:you are waiting for magic man
don't hold your breath you'll be dead in 5 minutes
New Ager:yeah its the magic that made those people so great not their teachings
Atheist:did you notice that not one of the people you mentioned said anything about pedophilia, rape, slavery, women's rights or genocide?
New Ager:they haven't?
Atheist:nope
not a word
New Ager:how do you know?
Atheist:because I have researched it
a simple google search will provide you with the same answer
New Ager:im sure they would be against it
Atheist:if they were real, they probably would have said something dontcha think?
New Ager: buddhists and hindus are against wrong actions including those bad things as they believe in karma
jesus taught to love others
Atheist:doesn't matter, we can look back and say, "well, they would have been against it" then why didn't they say something? These issues are not new to society
rape in those days was considered a property crime
slavery was a way of life
genocide was practiced by the gods and the nations that served them
mohamed married a 6 year old girl and consumated the marriage at 9 years old
if these figures had any morality at all, they would have taught us that women were equal to men on top of all the other things I just laid out
mohamed is a pedophile
yep....
New Ager:he was a prophet not a god-man
Atheist:he is believed to be the jesus of islam
he was a god man
New Ager:no they believe him to be a prophet and jesus to them is also a prophet
Atheist:jesus was just a man to them
mohamed was the true prophet
New agernot what i read
maybe i should be a fucking agnostic that believes in god?
Atheist:jesus was not believed to be the son of god by islam, just google it, mohamed was
New Ager: i read mohamed was the latest prophet of islam and jesus was still a prophet of the past but not god
Atheist:mohamed is the son of allah, allah is islamic for "god"
New Ager:oh really?
Atheist:yep
New Ager:ok
Atheist:all you have to do is google it man
New Ager:i believe mohamed is a prophet until he took up the sword
Atheist:you should not be taking my word for it on any of this anyway
thats the nature of being a truth seeker
not just believing what others tell you
New Ager:well i read mohamed was a prophet not a son of god i will google it now
Atheist:http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm
New ager:it says muhammad is a prophet
Atheist:are you referencing the quran?
cuz thats where it says it
the passage I just sent you is a passage from the quran
New Ager:yeah it says prophet not god
Atheist:A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).
New Ager:yes jesus is regarded by christians as god and muhammad is regarded by muslims as a prophet there ya go
"The Qur'an was dictated to him by Angel Gabriel who asked Muhammad to simply repeat the words of the Qur'an as he heard them. " I believe this
Atheist:I stand corrected =]
New Ager: carl jung believed in the metaphysical. he believed in the superconscious mind. perhaps that is where when people(including prophets) channel they get their answers
i see carl jung as a spiritual psychologist
Atheist:the sub conscience mind is a very real thing yes, but our answers come from genetic code
New Ager:you can train yourself to get answers come to your mind through meditation. its metaphysical training
the subconscious mind does not have all the answers but the superconscious does
Atheist:we are social creatures and we rely on the pack to survive, if kill, lie, steal, rape, molest members of our pack we are ostracized,
New Ager:yes we are like dogs we are social that's why we are best friend with dogs. but what does that have to do with mind?
Atheist:if we are thrown out of the pack we risk the opportunity to pass on our genes. That is where morals come from, not ancient wisdom
this is all bio-genetics 101
New Ager:no i mean you can get answers to any question if you practice metaphysical technique. carl jung believed it and so do i
Atheist:thats rediculous
for one
the brain records every iota of information that has every passed our consciousnesses. to tap into the subconsciousness can be a conscience act or can be lulled by a therapist practicing something like hypnotism
New Ager:no that's how prophets get lots of answers and create huge religions with a lot of content no one with a crazy imaginationcan make up
Atheist:to assume that we can know everything there was to ever know and ever will be known by mystical means "because we all have the answers stored in our....whatever you want to call it....that is a pretty far reaching hypothesis
New Ager:im a believer. a lot of new age material is made from channeling entities through automatic writing
Atheist:your statement that "that is how prophets get there info..." is short sighted and forgetting that which we have already spoke of
OMG
just watch derren brown in regards to auto writting
seriously man...
New Ager:yeah im sure he can't explain it
Atheist:there is a logical fallacy going on here that you are not aware of, you are complicating the situation by saying because x+y=z, it is because of "a"
he can actually, he does it specifically so people will understand why it is a farce
New Ager:i'll watch him
Atheist:http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&oq=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3...2885579.2888141.0.2888300.16.16.0.0.0.0.167.2055.4j12.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.mJvwB-EqqBY
watch this series
nature of belief
hit me up when its over
New Ager:im afraid if i click that my opera will freeze
Atheist:its just youtube
go to youtube then and search for "derren brown, nature of belief
New Ager:im at the first video
Atheist:its a great series, you will enjoy it
New Ager:but im a new ager not a skeptic
Atheist:no you are a human who has been lied to already many times by new agers.....
your identity is not your belief
but your actions are your identity
New Ager:i've been lied to fake psychics pretending to be psychics
Atheist:just watch man
derren is a better "psychic" then psychics...
New Agerim sure he is
except for real psychics as i believe such exist
Atheist:I am not going to respond to that....
New Ager:do as you like
i'll watch derren brown on astrology now
Atheist:you couldn't have finished the whole piece on blief
belief*
New Ager:wait is astrology included in nature of belief video?
video*
Atheist:its an entire show broken up on you tube
New Ager:so astrology is included in it?
Atheist:no
weird, part of my previous message did not go through
New Ager:sometimes that happens
Atheist:the nature of belief is an 8 part video
you should really watch the whole thing, it covers faith healing, instant conversion, new age thought processes....it is quite diverse
New Ager:interesting
what is instant conversion? a person suddenly becoming religious?
Atheist:yep
New Ager:that's how i became new age; immediately
Atheist:he gathers a room full of atheists and agnostics for a talk and converts them
yea...red flag
New Ager:WOW
that's SO COOL
awesome psychological technique
Atheist:I guess....kinda scary though
he deprograms them before they leave thankfully
New Ager:i bet that video will blow my mind
i like it when that happens
new age blew my mind but i bet this will too
Atheist:start watching derren brown and everything he does will blow your mind
New Ager:haha
i think i'll start watching now
Atheist:I thought you were already lol
New Ager:im talking to my metaphysical friend on fb who channels. i wonder if you 2 would have a good debate together
i'd enjoy it
Atheist:sounds like masturbation without the payoff
New Ager:what payoff? no pleasure?
Atheist:no ending
New Ager:sounds like it could be a good debate
Atheist:channeling is just cold reading too....seriously man
educate yourself
New Ager:i believe in channeling and auto writing
Atheist:it doesn't seem to me like you are looking for any truth whatsoever, only looking to convince yourself to believe further
thats because you have not looked up any evidence contrary to it
how can you say you believe something if you have not tried to disprove it
New Ager:lots of people are like that
billions of people believe in unproven religion and im sure lots of people never bothered seeking the truth
Atheist:doesn't make it honest or true
and look at where our world is at becuase of it
New Ager:still there might be a soul in every human being and religion could be saving it
Atheist:....I don't think you realize what you are saying....just look up holy wars and tell me how that saves souls
New Ager:it destroys the bodies but perhaps religions saves the SOUL
Atheist:that is called cognitive dissonance and it is a psychological flaw
New Ager:what do you mean?
Atheist:so we can now assume that becuase it "might" be true we should support holy wars?
and whos side do we support....the logic you propose is extremely flawed
New Ager:that's not what im saying
Atheist:whether thats what you mean, that is what it boils down to
I am sorry man, I am really trying to be patient here and understanding of your position but I am really losing my patience. You have spent all day chatting with me and instead of just researching these ideas, you defend them
and what do your metaphysical friends say about all this? "trust your instincts, you know deep down what is true..." not, here is some evidence of it....
faith which cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth a single regret
New Ager:brb
i keep telling you
regardless of how much of my new age you debunk i will still believe it. whether its true or not
we new agers truly do believe in following our heart
and this is where my heart is telling me to be
i'll watch the video right now
i'll first watch astrology by derren brown
ithink i saw this video
Atheist:sorry I was afk
New Ager:i saw the astrology one. i really think i saw it before because i remember the same trick used
i found a way around that
Atheist:THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THAT, IT IS CALLED FUCKING COLD READING. LEARN ABOUT IT
its a fucking parlor trick man, it has been since it started, and is still so today
New Ager:the way to tell if its the cold reading/fohrer effect is to read and feel is the sign truly IS like you if you're not 100% or close to it then its real. i mean you can't compare a hot tempered sign like aries to a self reserved one like capricorn. the personalities are completely different! all my fire sign friends are simple minded and fiery while all my air sign friends are intellectuals. cold reading is true but so is astrology
its harder to tell between water and earth signs as they are introverted
Atheist:do you know what compartmentalization is? Cuz that is what you are doing right now
New Ager:but its clear with air and fire signs
Atheist:no its not
its a trick
and you have been duped
New Ager:almost every sign fits my friends. my mom is a gemini and loves to learn and to travel. i have a moon in taurus so i don't like to travel i like staying at home
Atheist:in the astrology example he handed out to those people in the video, he wrote that months before he met any of those people. He did not know their signs, he just did a blind cold read. When you go into an astrologer, they either outright ask you your sign, or if they are smart, they cold read it from you
I love to learn and travel, I am not a gemini
at the same time, I really like to be indoors and I am quite a bit of a hermit becuase I am an artist
I don't have any moon in taurus
these are things that apply to SO MANY PEOPLE
New Ager:not as strongly as they would to people of those sign natives
Atheist:that is a rediculous response
New Ager:no one loves to travel as much a gemini except for sagittarius
Atheist:if I believed in astrology and some one told me I have a moon in taurus and I like to be inside I would be like "Yea I do! How did you know!!!"
I traveled all over this country for like 4 years straight, never going home, just on the road the whoile time
I am not a gemini...when was the last time your mother did that?
New Ager:she doesn't have the money or the opportunity but she clearly loves travel and i clearly do not
Atheist:I just drove and did my thing
but I am not a gemini
so why did I enjoy it so much
New Ager:a lot of people love travelling. BUT not as much as gemini or sagittarius
Atheist:that is not evidence
DUDE
FALLACIES...LEARN THEM
New Ager:we all have a different personality. the question is when is it your personality and when is it cold reading?
Atheist:your logic is so flawed it is not even worth discussing
it is ALWAYS cold reading
New Ager:so personalities do not exist?
Atheist:you seem like an intelligent enough guy man, but you are just completely ignoring the fact that cold reading is how astrology works, same with psychics. and no, I never said personalities do not exist, I said astrology does not exist....do you see what you did there?
completely illogical conclusion to attempt to strengthen a belief with NO proof
New Ager:well i experienced astrology in my life so i believe it
few aries are calm and collected while few taurus are hot headed
Atheist:you can recite all the astrological qualities of a person to me till you turn blue in the face, it does not in ANY WAY make it true
its like turning to the bible to prove that the bible is true
one sec afk
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_04_1_mcgrew.pdf
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_04_1_mcgrew.pdf
read that
scientfic study on astrology
New Ager:eh fuck science i trust my experience beyond all else
Atheist:then you are choosing to be completely ignorant and I am having a very hard time not raging at such willfull moronosism
New Ager:well then im broken
Atheist:yea, I think so
New Ager:im sorry im not perfect like you atheists
Atheist:you have a scientific study of astrology RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU and you can't even face the facts
its not about being perfect
its about being honest with yourself
about facing the nature of reality and not deluding yourself into believing a bunch of shit that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to better the life of others on this planet
New Ager:billions of people are like that
"WHY WE WILL NEVER ALL AGREE ON ANYTHING.
The reason we will never agree on everything, the reason Conservatives will always argue with Liberals, why
Atheists will never believe, and why the Religious won't let go of their belief. Why a racist will be racist.
It is because everything is perspective and experience related. A liberal is a Liberal because they have
experienced Liberal policies helping out a poor family. Conservatives are Conservative because they have seen those
policies help create jobs for a family on hard times.
An Atheist who has never experienced God will not believe, and a believer who has, will never give up faith.
It's fun to debate these things and all, but in the end we all depend on our experiences to shape the way we feel,
and see the world.
Which is why some people may seem stubborn, some seem like they just wont open their mind up to other
possibilities.....that's because their experiences validate their beliefs.
Maybe we should keep that in mind when wanting to slam our heads against the wall while trying to "educate"
someone, or "wake them up"."
-JMO
Atheist:and that is WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD
New Ager:well then evolution has fucked up
Atheist:actually the post you just left me is wrong in the 4th paragraph
not everything is perspective or experience related
there are very valid and hard truths to this world and people would rather be deluded and pretend in their gods and fairy tales then face reality
New Ager:im not sure about that
i didn't write that
Atheist:thats because you are deluded
and I am sorry I know that was not polite
am just a bit frustrated with your choice to ignore the evidence right in front of you
New Ager:like billions of other people
Atheist:I am done with this conversation, I have better things to do. I hope you find what you are looking for
I really tried to discuss things with you, but this is rediculous
like trying to administer medicine to the dead
11:58pm
New Ager:i told you several times i won't ever let go of my belief in the metaphysics
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Atheist: sup man
New Ager: im watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySgYWzEJaxU&list=FLBiKQemnKJY5jgVh8iZk2Tg&index=14&feature=plpp_video
im also reading spirituality and talking on omegle
Atheist: makin lunch atm, watching that vid now
New Ager: cool
Atheist: that really doesn't say anything about whether or not new age belief systems are any better than old age religions unfortunately.
It uses the same logic religion does as a matter of fact and that is: "Know it because you feel it" as opposed to: Here are facts about the psychology of a human, govt, religion, society, and how it all works against itself...
you are a seeker of knowledge and truth?
New Ager: it talks about whether new age is new world order
Atheist: then look for studies, tests, verifiable sources
yea, it didn't really tell me anything about it though. I mean, it was just a rehash of old shit with bad music lol
I am making lunch so my responses will be back and forth
New Ager: im not sure i believe modern science can prove anything metaphysical. around my circle we believe in astrology but science can't prove that either. you can't measure it. you can measure astronomy but not astrology
I have a problem. i strongly believe in god. and i believe my experiences and other things are evidences for god. but atheists are not impressed and still do not believe me. and they use logic and reason to explain why those are
not proof of god. and part of me agrees with that. but another part tells me god does exist. so i have conflicting
feelings that torture me. i don't like to not believe in god. yet at the same time it makes some sense to me. its
perhaps mind vs heart
Atheist: there is nothing wrong with agnosticism you know
the belief that you just don't know
you can't prove it one way or another
New Ager: but i believe god can and should be proven
Atheist: if you want a real debate with far more responses to your questions regarding the metaphysical, astrology, new age beliefs, etc, you should go to reddit
if god were real, wouldn't there be some proof of him
verifiable, unquestionable truth?
he wants us all to know him yet leaves no sign of himself besides a book written by man
New Ager: but i don't believe in the abraham god so its not like that
Atheist: http://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnAtheist/search?q=debate+skeptics&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on
http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/search?q=debate+skeptics&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on
two sub reddits
almost done makin lunch, bbiab
New Ager:i don't know why i don't like debating atheists. maybe i can't beat them or they don't get it or something else
you left
Atheist:nah just finished eating
Atheist:oh it says you're offline
Atheist: if you are looking for truth, then your debates should not be about winning, they should be about discovery
if you are trying to win the argument, essentially, you have already decided what you want to believe regardless of the evidence
New Ager:i heard that the brain is wired to win not to seek truth
Atheist: yea....no lol
a person who is caught up in their beliefs will shut out evidence yes, but a truly inquisitive person will seek the truth regardless of whether it fits into their worldview
and if your brain is tying to win, then take control of it and learn to learn =]
New Ager: i think im not a truth seeker i just want to believe in my god
Atheist: listen man, the ideas of new age religions, personal gods, crystal healing, astrology, psychics....there is no proof for any of it when tested. When the only evidence one can find of its existence is from other psychics, astrologers, crystal energy advocates etc, that is a major problem
if it worked science would embrace it and use it
if it worked there would be a great use for it no?
I mean, imagine being able to know what is going to happen to you in the year, or in the day, that is some pretty useful stuff...science would be all over it
or imagine new age energy being used in medicine, personal growth etc, science would love to have that as a tool
New Ager:astrology so far described everyone i know perfectly
Atheist:there is a simple recipe for astrology
and it uses vauge remarks that fit anyone
I can look at libra and see many of the traits that suit me, and many that do not
I can do the same for pisces, taurus, etc
New Ager:they fit people strongly
Atheist:you are hurting my brain man
this is a sham, its as old as society
New Ager:im sure i get into good debates with you because you're a libra
Atheist:lol....no my new friend, its because you are looking for something and I have a decent answer for at least a bit of it =]
New Ager:my only conclusion is that science can't prove the metaphysical so it must be proven in other ways
Atheist:when a person gets turned onto an idea, they research that idea as it seems you have with things such as astrology yes?
have you ever spent months researching to disprove it?
that would be the scientific method to go about this
and if there was a way to prove the metaphysical, science would find a way
think about ghost hunters, psychics, crystal healers
New Ager: nope
Atheist:there are ways to test and see if they are effectve
and over the decades, they have been proven false
once some one is in a controlled environment, they can't bend spoons, their predictions are found false, and their energy healing does not work
if that shit is real, try to disprove it. there are sooo many studies to refer to
you will find that not once has there been any case for the metaphysical
outside of people saying "well I know this guy who..." okay, look up the guy, find information that says this is so
what about these people getting "cured" by cancer using reikki or crystal healing....where is the proof? If it is so real, there would be a report on it
you have to question these things
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/living/the-scientific-case-against-astrology
an article about science debunking astrology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk
derrin brown showing how he uses the psychology of astrology
New Ager: i can't let go of these beliefs i must be broken
Atheist:you haven't even tried to prove them false....you have given up before even trying
New Ager:im too weak to let this go
Atheist:if a belief is to be held as truth it will be able to stand in light of criticism.
and to say that is to give up dude
New Ager: well then you're right and i'm wrong
Atheist:what you are saying is, I am going to choose to be ignorant of the truth because the lie makes me feel good. If the lie makes you feel so good then why are you even searching for truth? Because you KNOW that there is more to the world than you have been led to believe
New Ager:damn my laptop is super lag
Atheist:all you have to do is read a bit bro. If you spent the time you do trying to prove your beliefs researching the alternative, you can easily set your mind free of this rubbish
watch that derrin brown video I linked
its like 8 min, and I am telling you, look up cold reading
once you know what cold reading is, and really understand it, all this astrology/psychic bs is transparent
and cold reading is not hard to understand, its quite simple
did you watch the derren brown video?
I also just realized something
New Ager:right now all im concerned about is improving my mental health
Atheist:its not that you are too weak, you are just afraid of what it means
if you are concerned about your mental health, then you should be concerned about getting the right treatment and not wasting your money or time with bullshit
being deluded by charlatans is going to cause you more grief than you know. I have a story for you....
one of my ex's has a gay father who used to go to a psychic in Chicago where we lived
New Ager:i am getting the proper treatment but its not working well so i will use natural as well
Atheist:he was a rich guy and went to a "top notch" psychic. Paid hundreds of dollars per session and saw her 5 times a week
the lady filled his head with what the problem was to the point that he lost his fortune, his family, his life partner of 20 years
she turned him against his own life
he died last month
New Ager:he died because of that?
Atheist:but thankfully in January with the little money he had left, he went to a woman named Byron Katie in California, realized what had happened as a result of his new age beliefs and was at least able to reconcile with his family before he died
no he died from natural causes
the point is, this woman was a nationally renowned psychic and she completely fucked up the mans life pretending like she knew what was going on with him, pretending to read the stars and his future
New Ager:so the psychic said he had some kind of a spiritual problem only the psychic with lots of money paid to her could cure?
Atheist:yes, he said that "this" problem" was because of his daughter taking advantage and the tarot cards confirm it, and "this" problem" was because his lifepartner was doing "____" and the stars confirm it, "this" problem" is because your sons are "____" and the crystals tell me this....
these people may or may not believe in their "powers" but one thing is for certain, they don't have any and it causes more harm then good because you are then shutting out the ability to get to the TRUTH of the issue
New Ager:that's horrible
Atheist:this is a true story that I watched unfold right in front of me
I dated her for over a year when the worst of it was happening
New Ager:i remember telling you on omegle how the psychics caused me psychological damage because of their bs about a girl that was playing mind games on me
Atheist:matter of fact, I just got off the phone with her this afternoon cuz she called to wish me a happy birthday and I learned that her father had passed 2 weeks back
THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT!
you have already experienced their complete and utter bs and the destructiveness it can cause in your life
now that was just a girl in highschool
imagine it was your wife, or your career at stake
New ager:i wil never forgive those frauds causing me damage by lying to me and i will never forgive the girl for playing games on me.i am still mad at her
Atheist:look man
go watch derren brown
you are sitting on the internet doing nothing more than chatting
watch the link I sent you
its entertaining and amazing stuff
he talks about all sorts of psychological tricks that are played on people
NEw Ager:tell me how exactly do psychics ruin your life except just taking money from you?
Atheist:watch the show he does called the nature of belief
(I think thats the name of it)
I just did man
and you have already seen what happens when you listen to a psychic
the story of my ex's father, and you with the girl
New Ager:i don't know how exactly psychics fuck up your relationship with your family
Atheist:its simple
if I pretend that I know what advice you need to live your life as assumed by metaphysical powers, even if I believe that I have them, I give you life advice based on trust. You trust that I know what I am talking about....and when I am wrong because I tell you not to worry about what they think, just chew on this root, or tell you to ostracize people from your life, or just give you bad advice because I am not a psychologist and I don't have any training in understanding how to help others fix their problems, you fuck up your life for listening to me
I am beginning to think you are trolling me dude...
New Ager:tell me how. btw i once lost $100 from a psychic who said she could cure my mental illness. i was so stupid. i paid her unreliably too through western union which is a bad way to deal with business. so i wait and nothing happens. i go back to her she said there is a problem. there is another spell put on me and she has to get rid of that first. excuse me! but she promised there would be an improvement. it didn't happen! and if there was something she should have known anyway. there's no way would i fall for that bs again. so i didn't go back.
Atheist:I mean come on man
a spell on you>?
New Ager:i am NOT trolling you but i can't let go of my religion
Atheist:and you are having a hard time not believing this shit?
its not your religion, its a belief system
I can't sit here and argue this much longer man. I would love to talk about it further, but until you do some research to the contrary this is just going to go around in circles
stop thinking about how hard it is to over come your beiliefs and just read up on the contrary evidence against it
simply watching Derren brown videos on youtube will blow your mind
and they are really entertaining as well as enlightening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk
just watch that
New ager:im an intelligent guy im sure i will get it when watching the videos
Atheist:I am sure you will too
you already have enough bad experiences with this shit to open your mind
enjoy some derren brown, he is really fun to watch
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&oq=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3...2885579.2888141.0.2888300.16.16.0.0.0.0.167.2055.4j12.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.mJvwB-EqqBY
when you are done with that video, watch this one on "the nature of belief" also by derren, split into like 8 vidz
New Ager:Damm my browser crashed
Im talking thru cp trying to restore opera
Atheist:yikes
the links should still be in chat when you get it back up and running
New Ager:im back
but opera still laggy
Atheist:=]
New Ager:i feel that hypnosis used to be a pseudoscience that because a proven science
became*
Atheist:its psychology, not really a science
New Ager:sounds like something new agers would practice before science understood it
Atheist:they use it in all sorts of ways actually
putting people in trance states to induce belief that what is going on is working, when its no more than the power of suggestion
New Ager:yes i know
i think even with all this skepticism i would become an atheist. i think religion is in the brain
Atheist:that is the correct assertion
religion is in the brai
brain*
New Ager:i mean there is a part of your brain that makes you religious
Atheist:not that makes you religious
but it looks for patterns
New Ager:maybe a deficiency of the frontal cortex the part of logic i believe
Atheist:some patterns are more complex than others
religion is a simple pattern so its easy to believe
every is due to "X"
New Ager:i know one thing: we will all find out eventually. too bad we won't be able to tell others. we will all die and know if there is a god or not
so astral projection is just lucid dreaming???
Atheist:yep
which is cool and all. but it dont solve shit
lol
New Ager:are you sure you truly APed and not just a dream where you think you are APing?
Atheist:I am sure that for 3 years while I was locked up in a room all I did was practice AP
New Ager:then why do all these AP people keep on saying its an awesome experience and proves the afterlife and blah blah blah?
Atheist:lucid dreaming is cool, its fun
takes a long time to get any good at it
but just because a bunch of people say its true, doesn't make it so
if you follow that line of thought you should be a muslim, a christian, a jew, and hindu
not just one, but all of them
they all say it is true, they have no proof
AP has been around for 50 years almost now
in pop culture at least
if there were any validity to it, we would be using it
keep watching derren brown man
watch the nature of belief
New Ager:i would really like to see you or someone like you debate a big new ager
if i could read about it or something i would be happier and could make up my mind better
Atheist:all the info you are looking for is out there
start a thread on reddit to the two forums I posted
ask for help in finding good evidence
New Ager:i saw them. there isn't much there
Atheist:they will gladly post everything under the sun
New Ager:the dalai lama said if science disproved reincarnation/rebirth the buddhists would stop believing it
Atheist:actually the dalai lama said that he is convinced that we need to think about the world in some other way beyond religion
http://io9.com/5942616/dalai-lama-tells-his-facebook-friends-that-religion-is-no-longer-adequate
New Ager:im sure i can find a good theist vs atheist debate. there's those out there all the time. but what about a skeptic debating a new ager?
Atheist:DUDE
just watch derren brown
it explains ALL
seriously
New Ager:i will
Atheist:just watch the guy
like now
New Ager:im just constantly busy
Atheist:stop asking questions that you can answer easily yourself
New Ager:no i can't answer them
Atheist:you can, you just have to do the research
New Ager:i'll look for proof and for skepticism
Atheist:thats the ticket
New Ager:what do you think of the great souls like Qauatzelcoatl, Hermes Trismegistus, Jesus Christ, Krishna and Gautama Buddha?
Atheist:stories embodying what we think of when we imagine the divine
New Ager:so you mean they never existed?
Atheist:I think it is possible that the individual may have existed in some way, may have been a good set of guys, but sure as hell did not re-incarnate, walk on water, perform miracles, or anything like that
and while I think it could be possible they MAY have existed, I do not believe that they did
New Ager:you know what i wish? i wish that a great soul would come to earth at THIS time and perform miracles so we can scientifically prove them
Atheist:Jesus for example is not recorded anywhere in in the history of the world
not one schoar, historian, police report, judge, nothing
and they actually kept a really good record of the "prophets" back in that day
New Ager:i saw some WEAK evidence that jesus existed
Atheist:how about you be that great soul
prove miracles exist by being an amazing person and helping others
like the shroud of turrin weak?
lol
New Ager:i want supernatural miracles just like those great people
Atheist:you are waiting for magic man
don't hold your breath you'll be dead in 5 minutes
New Ager:yeah its the magic that made those people so great not their teachings
Atheist:did you notice that not one of the people you mentioned said anything about pedophilia, rape, slavery, women's rights or genocide?
New Ager:they haven't?
Atheist:nope
not a word
New Ager:how do you know?
Atheist:because I have researched it
a simple google search will provide you with the same answer
New Ager:im sure they would be against it
Atheist:if they were real, they probably would have said something dontcha think?
New Ager: buddhists and hindus are against wrong actions including those bad things as they believe in karma
jesus taught to love others
Atheist:doesn't matter, we can look back and say, "well, they would have been against it" then why didn't they say something? These issues are not new to society
rape in those days was considered a property crime
slavery was a way of life
genocide was practiced by the gods and the nations that served them
mohamed married a 6 year old girl and consumated the marriage at 9 years old
if these figures had any morality at all, they would have taught us that women were equal to men on top of all the other things I just laid out
mohamed is a pedophile
yep....
New Ager:he was a prophet not a god-man
Atheist:he is believed to be the jesus of islam
he was a god man
New Ager:no they believe him to be a prophet and jesus to them is also a prophet
Atheist:jesus was just a man to them
mohamed was the true prophet
New agernot what i read
maybe i should be a fucking agnostic that believes in god?
Atheist:jesus was not believed to be the son of god by islam, just google it, mohamed was
New Ager: i read mohamed was the latest prophet of islam and jesus was still a prophet of the past but not god
Atheist:mohamed is the son of allah, allah is islamic for "god"
New Ager:oh really?
Atheist:yep
New Ager:ok
Atheist:all you have to do is google it man
New Ager:i believe mohamed is a prophet until he took up the sword
Atheist:you should not be taking my word for it on any of this anyway
thats the nature of being a truth seeker
not just believing what others tell you
New Ager:well i read mohamed was a prophet not a son of god i will google it now
Atheist:http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm
New ager:it says muhammad is a prophet
Atheist:are you referencing the quran?
cuz thats where it says it
the passage I just sent you is a passage from the quran
New Ager:yeah it says prophet not god
Atheist:A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was).
New Ager:yes jesus is regarded by christians as god and muhammad is regarded by muslims as a prophet there ya go
"The Qur'an was dictated to him by Angel Gabriel who asked Muhammad to simply repeat the words of the Qur'an as he heard them. " I believe this
Atheist:I stand corrected =]
New Ager: carl jung believed in the metaphysical. he believed in the superconscious mind. perhaps that is where when people(including prophets) channel they get their answers
i see carl jung as a spiritual psychologist
Atheist:the sub conscience mind is a very real thing yes, but our answers come from genetic code
New Ager:you can train yourself to get answers come to your mind through meditation. its metaphysical training
the subconscious mind does not have all the answers but the superconscious does
Atheist:we are social creatures and we rely on the pack to survive, if kill, lie, steal, rape, molest members of our pack we are ostracized,
New Ager:yes we are like dogs we are social that's why we are best friend with dogs. but what does that have to do with mind?
Atheist:if we are thrown out of the pack we risk the opportunity to pass on our genes. That is where morals come from, not ancient wisdom
this is all bio-genetics 101
New Ager:no i mean you can get answers to any question if you practice metaphysical technique. carl jung believed it and so do i
Atheist:thats rediculous
for one
the brain records every iota of information that has every passed our consciousnesses. to tap into the subconsciousness can be a conscience act or can be lulled by a therapist practicing something like hypnotism
New Ager:no that's how prophets get lots of answers and create huge religions with a lot of content no one with a crazy imaginationcan make up
Atheist:to assume that we can know everything there was to ever know and ever will be known by mystical means "because we all have the answers stored in our....whatever you want to call it....that is a pretty far reaching hypothesis
New Ager:im a believer. a lot of new age material is made from channeling entities through automatic writing
Atheist:your statement that "that is how prophets get there info..." is short sighted and forgetting that which we have already spoke of
OMG
just watch derren brown in regards to auto writting
seriously man...
New Ager:yeah im sure he can't explain it
Atheist:there is a logical fallacy going on here that you are not aware of, you are complicating the situation by saying because x+y=z, it is because of "a"
he can actually, he does it specifically so people will understand why it is a farce
New Ager:i'll watch him
Atheist:http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&oq=derrin+brown%2C+nature+of+belief&gs_l=youtube-reduced.3...2885579.2888141.0.2888300.16.16.0.0.0.0.167.2055.4j12.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.mJvwB-EqqBY
watch this series
nature of belief
hit me up when its over
New Ager:im afraid if i click that my opera will freeze
Atheist:its just youtube
go to youtube then and search for "derren brown, nature of belief
New Ager:im at the first video
Atheist:its a great series, you will enjoy it
New Ager:but im a new ager not a skeptic
Atheist:no you are a human who has been lied to already many times by new agers.....
your identity is not your belief
but your actions are your identity
New Ager:i've been lied to fake psychics pretending to be psychics
Atheist:just watch man
derren is a better "psychic" then psychics...
New Agerim sure he is
except for real psychics as i believe such exist
Atheist:I am not going to respond to that....
New Ager:do as you like
i'll watch derren brown on astrology now
Atheist:you couldn't have finished the whole piece on blief
belief*
New Ager:wait is astrology included in nature of belief video?
video*
Atheist:its an entire show broken up on you tube
New Ager:so astrology is included in it?
Atheist:no
weird, part of my previous message did not go through
New Ager:sometimes that happens
Atheist:the nature of belief is an 8 part video
you should really watch the whole thing, it covers faith healing, instant conversion, new age thought processes....it is quite diverse
New Ager:interesting
what is instant conversion? a person suddenly becoming religious?
Atheist:yep
New Ager:that's how i became new age; immediately
Atheist:he gathers a room full of atheists and agnostics for a talk and converts them
yea...red flag
New Ager:WOW
that's SO COOL
awesome psychological technique
Atheist:I guess....kinda scary though
he deprograms them before they leave thankfully
New Ager:i bet that video will blow my mind
i like it when that happens
new age blew my mind but i bet this will too
Atheist:start watching derren brown and everything he does will blow your mind
New Ager:haha
i think i'll start watching now
Atheist:I thought you were already lol
New Ager:im talking to my metaphysical friend on fb who channels. i wonder if you 2 would have a good debate together
i'd enjoy it
Atheist:sounds like masturbation without the payoff
New Ager:what payoff? no pleasure?
Atheist:no ending
New Ager:sounds like it could be a good debate
Atheist:channeling is just cold reading too....seriously man
educate yourself
New Ager:i believe in channeling and auto writing
Atheist:it doesn't seem to me like you are looking for any truth whatsoever, only looking to convince yourself to believe further
thats because you have not looked up any evidence contrary to it
how can you say you believe something if you have not tried to disprove it
New Ager:lots of people are like that
billions of people believe in unproven religion and im sure lots of people never bothered seeking the truth
Atheist:doesn't make it honest or true
and look at where our world is at becuase of it
New Ager:still there might be a soul in every human being and religion could be saving it
Atheist:....I don't think you realize what you are saying....just look up holy wars and tell me how that saves souls
New Ager:it destroys the bodies but perhaps religions saves the SOUL
Atheist:that is called cognitive dissonance and it is a psychological flaw
New Ager:what do you mean?
Atheist:so we can now assume that becuase it "might" be true we should support holy wars?
and whos side do we support....the logic you propose is extremely flawed
New Ager:that's not what im saying
Atheist:whether thats what you mean, that is what it boils down to
I am sorry man, I am really trying to be patient here and understanding of your position but I am really losing my patience. You have spent all day chatting with me and instead of just researching these ideas, you defend them
and what do your metaphysical friends say about all this? "trust your instincts, you know deep down what is true..." not, here is some evidence of it....
faith which cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth a single regret
New Ager:brb
i keep telling you
regardless of how much of my new age you debunk i will still believe it. whether its true or not
we new agers truly do believe in following our heart
and this is where my heart is telling me to be
i'll watch the video right now
i'll first watch astrology by derren brown
ithink i saw this video
Atheist:sorry I was afk
New Ager:i saw the astrology one. i really think i saw it before because i remember the same trick used
i found a way around that
Atheist:THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THAT, IT IS CALLED FUCKING COLD READING. LEARN ABOUT IT
its a fucking parlor trick man, it has been since it started, and is still so today
New Ager:the way to tell if its the cold reading/fohrer effect is to read and feel is the sign truly IS like you if you're not 100% or close to it then its real. i mean you can't compare a hot tempered sign like aries to a self reserved one like capricorn. the personalities are completely different! all my fire sign friends are simple minded and fiery while all my air sign friends are intellectuals. cold reading is true but so is astrology
its harder to tell between water and earth signs as they are introverted
Atheist:do you know what compartmentalization is? Cuz that is what you are doing right now
New Ager:but its clear with air and fire signs
Atheist:no its not
its a trick
and you have been duped
New Ager:almost every sign fits my friends. my mom is a gemini and loves to learn and to travel. i have a moon in taurus so i don't like to travel i like staying at home
Atheist:in the astrology example he handed out to those people in the video, he wrote that months before he met any of those people. He did not know their signs, he just did a blind cold read. When you go into an astrologer, they either outright ask you your sign, or if they are smart, they cold read it from you
I love to learn and travel, I am not a gemini
at the same time, I really like to be indoors and I am quite a bit of a hermit becuase I am an artist
I don't have any moon in taurus
these are things that apply to SO MANY PEOPLE
New Ager:not as strongly as they would to people of those sign natives
Atheist:that is a rediculous response
New Ager:no one loves to travel as much a gemini except for sagittarius
Atheist:if I believed in astrology and some one told me I have a moon in taurus and I like to be inside I would be like "Yea I do! How did you know!!!"
I traveled all over this country for like 4 years straight, never going home, just on the road the whoile time
I am not a gemini...when was the last time your mother did that?
New Ager:she doesn't have the money or the opportunity but she clearly loves travel and i clearly do not
Atheist:I just drove and did my thing
but I am not a gemini
so why did I enjoy it so much
New Ager:a lot of people love travelling. BUT not as much as gemini or sagittarius
Atheist:that is not evidence
DUDE
FALLACIES...LEARN THEM
New Ager:we all have a different personality. the question is when is it your personality and when is it cold reading?
Atheist:your logic is so flawed it is not even worth discussing
it is ALWAYS cold reading
New Ager:so personalities do not exist?
Atheist:you seem like an intelligent enough guy man, but you are just completely ignoring the fact that cold reading is how astrology works, same with psychics. and no, I never said personalities do not exist, I said astrology does not exist....do you see what you did there?
completely illogical conclusion to attempt to strengthen a belief with NO proof
New Ager:well i experienced astrology in my life so i believe it
few aries are calm and collected while few taurus are hot headed
Atheist:you can recite all the astrological qualities of a person to me till you turn blue in the face, it does not in ANY WAY make it true
its like turning to the bible to prove that the bible is true
one sec afk
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_04_1_mcgrew.pdf
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_04_1_mcgrew.pdf
read that
scientfic study on astrology
New Ager:eh fuck science i trust my experience beyond all else
Atheist:then you are choosing to be completely ignorant and I am having a very hard time not raging at such willfull moronosism
New Ager:well then im broken
Atheist:yea, I think so
New Ager:im sorry im not perfect like you atheists
Atheist:you have a scientific study of astrology RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU and you can't even face the facts
its not about being perfect
its about being honest with yourself
about facing the nature of reality and not deluding yourself into believing a bunch of shit that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to better the life of others on this planet
New Ager:billions of people are like that
"WHY WE WILL NEVER ALL AGREE ON ANYTHING.
The reason we will never agree on everything, the reason Conservatives will always argue with Liberals, why
Atheists will never believe, and why the Religious won't let go of their belief. Why a racist will be racist.
It is because everything is perspective and experience related. A liberal is a Liberal because they have
experienced Liberal policies helping out a poor family. Conservatives are Conservative because they have seen those
policies help create jobs for a family on hard times.
An Atheist who has never experienced God will not believe, and a believer who has, will never give up faith.
It's fun to debate these things and all, but in the end we all depend on our experiences to shape the way we feel,
and see the world.
Which is why some people may seem stubborn, some seem like they just wont open their mind up to other
possibilities.....that's because their experiences validate their beliefs.
Maybe we should keep that in mind when wanting to slam our heads against the wall while trying to "educate"
someone, or "wake them up"."
-JMO
Atheist:and that is WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD
New Ager:well then evolution has fucked up
Atheist:actually the post you just left me is wrong in the 4th paragraph
not everything is perspective or experience related
there are very valid and hard truths to this world and people would rather be deluded and pretend in their gods and fairy tales then face reality
New Ager:im not sure about that
i didn't write that
Atheist:thats because you are deluded
and I am sorry I know that was not polite
am just a bit frustrated with your choice to ignore the evidence right in front of you
New Ager:like billions of other people
Atheist:I am done with this conversation, I have better things to do. I hope you find what you are looking for
I really tried to discuss things with you, but this is rediculous
like trying to administer medicine to the dead
11:58pm
New Ager:i told you several times i won't ever let go of my belief in the metaphysics
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Thursday, October 11, 2012
Conversation with fb guy
atheist guy:You truly don't get it.
Every human being is deserving of love, care, and help, including those who wrong us in the worst ways. A human being unable to forgive is only a shadow of their own pain, barely considered a human being at all.
I concluded you were both an asshole and had hubris the moment I met you
atheist guy:You don't need me anymore. Delete me and move on to someone more willing to help you. But just as the bible says The Lord helps those who help themselves, I'd rather help those who help themselves. You, someone who feeds on the help of others like a leech, filling your own craving for attention, needs to break free from your own mental bondage, but that it is only possible for someone who can learn detachment and return to the center and discover their inner truth. No one can hold your hand through it.
You are not in need of my help. Therefore, I'd like you delete me to drive the point that you require to fix
yourself home and that NO ONE can help or love you until you learn to do so yourself.
me::yeah that really hurts me. several of your points hurt me. you assumed a lot of things about me that are not true. you think because you're smart and know psychology that you know me? i'll have you know im one of the nicest, kindest and best people anyone will EVER meet! and people love me. you just don't know me or understand and don't understand true pain that i feel. pride? yeah maybe a little. but some of the best people are narcissists and i'm a narcissist who wants to help people. you don't understand my pain and that I AM NOT LIKE YOU. i can't just stand up and become stronger. that i can't. but gradually i might be able to free myself. an asshole? definitely not! you never had severe mental illness that disables you, how can you possibly understand how i feel? im a SAINT compared to some people. and im a great soul. i know the true religion and understand god better than you atheists will EVER understand in this lifetime. but i'll do you the favor and delete you. if that's what you really want you'll get it. and then when im fine i might come back and tell you that and be proud even though you judged me and not understood me. im a beautiful soul and one of the most worthwhile people you will EVER meet. and i don't think im weak anymore. im stronger than you will EVER know. im sure in my shoes you'd be already DEAD(suicide) but i still press on. and even if i do not succeed in this lifetime i know through the light of the truth in my heart one day i will just by my righteousousness. im sure god will understand your reasons for being an asshole to you and hope you get the punishment that is just and no more no less. in fact i might block you too. i don't know why you're a dick to me but im sure the truth will set me free. you just made a lot of assumptions about me from a few conversations or even sooner than that that are not true. and btw the whole forgiveness thing i used to be a BIG forgiver. one of the best. but once again i am not because of the mental illness. i wish you luck in life and hope you become a better person than being an asshole to mentally disabled people like me. you're just a bully now and i am more spiritually developed than you. i have more potential than you i bet i am even better than you. goodbye!
Every human being is deserving of love, care, and help, including those who wrong us in the worst ways. A human being unable to forgive is only a shadow of their own pain, barely considered a human being at all.
I concluded you were both an asshole and had hubris the moment I met you
atheist guy:You don't need me anymore. Delete me and move on to someone more willing to help you. But just as the bible says The Lord helps those who help themselves, I'd rather help those who help themselves. You, someone who feeds on the help of others like a leech, filling your own craving for attention, needs to break free from your own mental bondage, but that it is only possible for someone who can learn detachment and return to the center and discover their inner truth. No one can hold your hand through it.
You are not in need of my help. Therefore, I'd like you delete me to drive the point that you require to fix
yourself home and that NO ONE can help or love you until you learn to do so yourself.
me::yeah that really hurts me. several of your points hurt me. you assumed a lot of things about me that are not true. you think because you're smart and know psychology that you know me? i'll have you know im one of the nicest, kindest and best people anyone will EVER meet! and people love me. you just don't know me or understand and don't understand true pain that i feel. pride? yeah maybe a little. but some of the best people are narcissists and i'm a narcissist who wants to help people. you don't understand my pain and that I AM NOT LIKE YOU. i can't just stand up and become stronger. that i can't. but gradually i might be able to free myself. an asshole? definitely not! you never had severe mental illness that disables you, how can you possibly understand how i feel? im a SAINT compared to some people. and im a great soul. i know the true religion and understand god better than you atheists will EVER understand in this lifetime. but i'll do you the favor and delete you. if that's what you really want you'll get it. and then when im fine i might come back and tell you that and be proud even though you judged me and not understood me. im a beautiful soul and one of the most worthwhile people you will EVER meet. and i don't think im weak anymore. im stronger than you will EVER know. im sure in my shoes you'd be already DEAD(suicide) but i still press on. and even if i do not succeed in this lifetime i know through the light of the truth in my heart one day i will just by my righteousousness. im sure god will understand your reasons for being an asshole to you and hope you get the punishment that is just and no more no less. in fact i might block you too. i don't know why you're a dick to me but im sure the truth will set me free. you just made a lot of assumptions about me from a few conversations or even sooner than that that are not true. and btw the whole forgiveness thing i used to be a BIG forgiver. one of the best. but once again i am not because of the mental illness. i wish you luck in life and hope you become a better person than being an asshole to mentally disabled people like me. you're just a bully now and i am more spiritually developed than you. i have more potential than you i bet i am even better than you. goodbye!
Friday, December 30, 2011
Convo w her friend
H1
you are so overly pedantic and annoying. i didnt read your entire response bc im going out
but..
'You think Ron Paul is crazy.'
remind when i said that please.
you can add me on fbook. ill accept. reluctantly.
lol
July 19, 2008
H2
lol should I?
July 19, 2008
H1
July 19, 2008
im not a bad person...
July 19, 2008
you have a problem. stop denying it. you followed her home and wrote her crazy shit and then you even stalked her in gym. i was in that class btw.
she really has no sort of benevolent feeling towards you at all. and really, who could blame her?
whatever. its in the past. just dont try to make her look like the bad guy. bc i know everything that happened.
July 20, 2008
First of all why did she approach me in country fair a year ago and talked to me if she never liked me? What did she want from me?
After I stalked her, I wrote her a letter. If she did hate me because of that, why did she accept it?
Okay the above things are not half as big as what I'm about to say now. She hurt my feelings when she rejected me when I begged to talk with her. And I didn't want to talk to her anymore. Then explain this:
WHY IN THE FUCKING WORLD WOULD SHE BE FUCKING STARING AT ME IN THE SUBWAY MAKING EYE CONTACT AND SHIT WHEN SHE THOUGHT I WAS A FUCKING STALKER?!?!? THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I APPROACHED HER! SHE WAS LOOKING AT ME LIKE SHE WANTED TO SAY SHE WAS SORRY BUT WHEN I FUCKING CAME UP TO HER AND TOLD HER MY FEELINGS ABOUT HER SHE YELLED AT ME AND CALLED ME A STALKER. SHE FUCKING LED ME ON.
After that time, I never said a fucking word to her. Then one time I was walking through the hallway and SHE SAID HI TO ME! I ignored her. THEN IN THE TRAIN STATION SHE KEPT ON LOOKING AT ME. I noticed it from the side of my eye. WHY THE FUCK WOULD SHE CARE IF SHE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM ME?!
You don't know shit. She is a big fucking liar and I am so sick of her. She never cared about my feelings and treated me like crap. YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME? GO ASK HER EX-BEST FRIEND! It was a short girl with black hair, a little colored. Your friend won't admit it. But I know her ex best friend will.
But don't tell your best friend that. You think she will admit it? Please.
And I don't know about the gym thing you are talking about. I only stalked her once when I tried apologizing to her.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH HER HEAD? I ASKED TO TALK TO HER SO MANY TIMES. I ASKED TO BE HER FRIEND SO MANY TIMES. I TOLD HER MY FEELINGS ABOUT HER SO MANY TIMES. I EVEN WROTE HER A LETTER. HOW CAN SHE TREAT ME LIKE THAT? WHY WAS SHE LOOKING AT ME IN THE TRAIN? WHY DID SHE SAY HI TO ME IN THE HALLWAY AFTER CALLING ME A STALKER? WHY DID SHE STARE AT ME LEADING ME ON TO TALK TO HER?
THE ONLY THING I EVER WANTED WAS FRIENDSHIP AND I WAS TREATING HER LIKE A PRINCESS. She treated me like shit...
YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY SICK? LEADING ME ON SO THAT I WOULD COME AND TELL HER MY FEELINGS ABOUT HER SO THAT SHE COULD PLAY ALL OVER MY EMOTIONS. THAT IS SICK. THAT IS RAPE RIGHT THERE. I TRULY HATE CUNTS LIKE HER. ALL THEY DO IS WANT ATTENTION AND THINK THEY ARE ALL THAT AND REALLY PLAY ON GUYS FEELINGS.
DON'T BELIEVE ME? ASK THAT GIRL SHE KNEW. SHE KNOWS. SHE WAS THERE. SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOUR BEST FRIEND IS. A FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD NUTCASE WHO DOESN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW TO CONTROL HERSELF. And from the way you speak, it looks like you don't have so little difference from her. Both got big problems...
I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING SHE DID TO ME. I SHALL NEVER LOOK AT HER EVER AGAIN. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT WHAT HAPPENED. SHE IS HIDING HERSELF FROM YOU. SHE MAY TREAT YOU NICELY BUT SHE WAS INTENTIONALLY PLAYING ON MY FEELINGS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. She IS the bad guy. Whether you believe it or not.
You people make me sick. You believe you are everything in the world. You treat others like crap. You hurt nice people. You are not diplomatic what so ever. You all have sick problems with your head and all deserve 20 years in a mental hospital. You would need a whole team to fix you people up. Fuckers if that doesn't cure you of your sick perverse games you play on peoples feelings like you just can then ALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU DESERVE TO BE SHOT. I WILL ALWAYS DEFEND MYSELF FROM FUCKED UP NUTCASES LIKE YOU. HITLER MADE A MISTAKE KILLING JEWS GAY AND DISABLED PEOPLE. HE SHOULD'VE KILLED THOSE PEOPLE WHO REALLY RUIN SOCIETY SUCH AS MENTALLY UNSTABLE FUCKTARDS LIKE YOU 2.
you are so overly pedantic and annoying. i didnt read your entire response bc im going out
but..
'You think Ron Paul is crazy.'
remind when i said that please.
you can add me on fbook. ill accept. reluctantly.
lol
July 19, 2008
H2
lol should I?
July 19, 2008
H1
why not. just promise not to stal me like you did X
stalk**
July 19, 2008
H2
what she talks about me? oh i see she spreads propaganda and lies.
im not a bad person...
July 19, 2008
H1
actually, regardless of your intentions, what you did to her was sick an def incriminating.
you have a problem. stop denying it. you followed her home and wrote her crazy shit and then you even stalked her in gym. i was in that class btw.
she really has no sort of benevolent feeling towards you at all. and really, who could blame her?
whatever. its in the past. just dont try to make her look like the bad guy. bc i know everything that happened.
July 20, 2008
H2
That's a huge load of crap. She has been lying to people all along.
First of all why did she approach me in country fair a year ago and talked to me if she never liked me? What did she want from me?
After I stalked her, I wrote her a letter. If she did hate me because of that, why did she accept it?
Okay the above things are not half as big as what I'm about to say now. She hurt my feelings when she rejected me when I begged to talk with her. And I didn't want to talk to her anymore. Then explain this:
WHY IN THE FUCKING WORLD WOULD SHE BE FUCKING STARING AT ME IN THE SUBWAY MAKING EYE CONTACT AND SHIT WHEN SHE THOUGHT I WAS A FUCKING STALKER?!?!? THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I APPROACHED HER! SHE WAS LOOKING AT ME LIKE SHE WANTED TO SAY SHE WAS SORRY BUT WHEN I FUCKING CAME UP TO HER AND TOLD HER MY FEELINGS ABOUT HER SHE YELLED AT ME AND CALLED ME A STALKER. SHE FUCKING LED ME ON.
After that time, I never said a fucking word to her. Then one time I was walking through the hallway and SHE SAID HI TO ME! I ignored her. THEN IN THE TRAIN STATION SHE KEPT ON LOOKING AT ME. I noticed it from the side of my eye. WHY THE FUCK WOULD SHE CARE IF SHE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM ME?!
You don't know shit. She is a big fucking liar and I am so sick of her. She never cared about my feelings and treated me like crap. YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME? GO ASK HER EX-BEST FRIEND! It was a short girl with black hair, a little colored. Your friend won't admit it. But I know her ex best friend will.
But don't tell your best friend that. You think she will admit it? Please.
And I don't know about the gym thing you are talking about. I only stalked her once when I tried apologizing to her.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH HER HEAD? I ASKED TO TALK TO HER SO MANY TIMES. I ASKED TO BE HER FRIEND SO MANY TIMES. I TOLD HER MY FEELINGS ABOUT HER SO MANY TIMES. I EVEN WROTE HER A LETTER. HOW CAN SHE TREAT ME LIKE THAT? WHY WAS SHE LOOKING AT ME IN THE TRAIN? WHY DID SHE SAY HI TO ME IN THE HALLWAY AFTER CALLING ME A STALKER? WHY DID SHE STARE AT ME LEADING ME ON TO TALK TO HER?
THE ONLY THING I EVER WANTED WAS FRIENDSHIP AND I WAS TREATING HER LIKE A PRINCESS. She treated me like shit...
YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY SICK? LEADING ME ON SO THAT I WOULD COME AND TELL HER MY FEELINGS ABOUT HER SO THAT SHE COULD PLAY ALL OVER MY EMOTIONS. THAT IS SICK. THAT IS RAPE RIGHT THERE. I TRULY HATE CUNTS LIKE HER. ALL THEY DO IS WANT ATTENTION AND THINK THEY ARE ALL THAT AND REALLY PLAY ON GUYS FEELINGS.
DON'T BELIEVE ME? ASK THAT GIRL SHE KNEW. SHE KNOWS. SHE WAS THERE. SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOUR BEST FRIEND IS. A FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD NUTCASE WHO DOESN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW TO CONTROL HERSELF. And from the way you speak, it looks like you don't have so little difference from her. Both got big problems...
I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AND EVERYTHING SHE DID TO ME. I SHALL NEVER LOOK AT HER EVER AGAIN. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT WHAT HAPPENED. SHE IS HIDING HERSELF FROM YOU. SHE MAY TREAT YOU NICELY BUT SHE WAS INTENTIONALLY PLAYING ON MY FEELINGS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. She IS the bad guy. Whether you believe it or not.
You people make me sick. You believe you are everything in the world. You treat others like crap. You hurt nice people. You are not diplomatic what so ever. You all have sick problems with your head and all deserve 20 years in a mental hospital. You would need a whole team to fix you people up. Fuckers if that doesn't cure you of your sick perverse games you play on peoples feelings like you just can then ALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU DESERVE TO BE SHOT. I WILL ALWAYS DEFEND MYSELF FROM FUCKED UP NUTCASES LIKE YOU. HITLER MADE A MISTAKE KILLING JEWS GAY AND DISABLED PEOPLE. HE SHOULD'VE KILLED THOSE PEOPLE WHO REALLY RUIN SOCIETY SUCH AS MENTALLY UNSTABLE FUCKTARDS LIKE YOU 2.
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Conversation with him
I may have confused P1 with P2 or vice versa here because their first names are the same
(10:32:55 PM) P1: french-aids-posters%28530%29.jpg (http://www.nextnature.net/research/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/french-aids-posters%28530%29.jpg)
(10:36:23 PM) P2: scorpiob
(10:38:21 PM) P1: why
(10:38:30 PM) P2: common sence
(10:39:00 PM) P1: i know the spider is giving the women an oral
(10:39:17 PM) P2: lol ur so stupid its funny
(10:39:18 PM) P2: :-)
(10:39:23 PM) P1: lol
(10:39:46 PM) P1: (10:39:28 PM) Michael: I'd totally want to be that spider.
(10:40:20 PM) P2: hhahaha lol
(10:40:22 PM) P2: he gets it
(10:40:41 PM) P1: i said the same thing
(10:40:52 PM) P2: dude freaking
(10:41:03 PM) P2: he is missionarying the scorpion]
(10:41:08 PM) P2: fucking it
(10:41:11 PM) P2: aids poster
(10:41:22 PM) P2: meaning you are like fuking very dangerous things
(10:42:00 PM) P2: like i said
(10:42:05 PM) P1: spider is giving the woman and oral
(10:44:50 PM) P1: id ont get what this has to do with aids
(10:44:58 PM) P1: death?
(10:46:36 PM) P2: lol so stupid
(10:46:42 PM) P2: you are*
(10:47:09 PM) P2: how can you possibly consider yurself smart
(10:47:12 PM) P2: in any way lol
(10:47:19 PM) P2: no duhh
~!
(11:14:30 PM) P1: nope
(11:14:34 PM) P1: that ad was retarted
(11:14:48 PM) P1: i'm one of the smartest people i know
(11:15:13 PM) P1: very few people actually possess the intellect i have
(11:15:24 PM) P1: but they will, in one lifetime, i believe.
(11:16:56 PM) P2: lol you are fgunny, and i got the ad even if it didnt say aids on the bottom
(11:17:01 PM) P2: or this week being aids week
(11:17:24 PM) P2: say what u want to say but i dont think ypou are smart at all, ofcoarse you do know alot of stuff about your topics of choice
(11:17:30 PM) P2: but in no way general smartness
(11:17:30 PM) P2: sorry
(11:19:23 PM) P1: you wouldnt be able to see it
(11:19:35 PM) P1: but people of great career and high positions called me smart
(11:20:29 PM) P2: i dont believe
(11:20:30 PM) P2: you
(11:20:34 PM) P1: i highly doubt that
(11:20:40 PM) P1: you doubt everything
(11:20:48 PM) P2: no
(11:20:51 PM) P1: i dont need approval from you
(11:21:13 PM) P1: i confirmed my place as a potential to be genius from people i respect
(11:21:15 PM) P2: well i dont think you are smart at all..
(11:21:27 PM) P1: like i said
(11:21:43 PM) P2: yes you know about spirituality, about politics, about herbs and stuff
(11:21:46 PM) P1: that's the way you see your reality
(11:21:46 PM) P2: but
(11:21:53 PM) P2: i dont see how ppl cvan call you smart
(11:22:00 PM) P1: called me genius
(11:22:07 PM) P1: there will always be someone
(11:22:12 PM) P1: to say a genius is dumb
(11:22:18 PM) P1: einstein was called retarted
(11:22:24 PM) P2: well
(11:22:27 PM) P2: not really
(11:22:31 PM) P1: all great revolutionaries had been called crazy
(11:22:36 PM) P2: i have a crazy kid in my chemistry class
(11:22:40 PM) P2: but i can see he is smart
(11:22:46 PM) P2: and so can others..
(11:22:50 PM) P2: and he is
(11:22:55 PM) P2: answers alot
(11:22:58 PM) P2: interesting
(11:23:02 PM) P2: understands stuff
(11:23:19 PM) P2: and the only things you talk about are like non existant things
(11:23:54 PM) P2: i think gosha is msmart
(11:23:58 PM) P2: i think mike is smart
(11:24:00 PM) P1: i really dont see how you would understand smartness therefore i do not need verification from you. i do not see you as someone who is advanced in the mental realm and believe you will one day
(11:24:03 PM) P2: i think sasha is amsart
(11:24:30 PM) P2: i most definatley think my mom and grandparents are smart, i can see your grampa is smart, i know my friend aunmddrey is smart
(11:24:51 PM) P1: i really would not like to have an ego
(11:24:57 PM) P1: its against my beliefs
(11:25:04 PM) P2: basically
(11:25:12 PM) P2: im not closed minded, you are
(11:25:20 PM) P2: i looked at spirtiuality before
(11:25:21 PM) P2: and
(11:25:27 PM) P2: i thought it was a load of crap
(11:25:34 PM) P2: now my feelings towards it changed
(11:25:44 PM) P2: i think it has the accupuincture effect
(11:25:48 PM) P2: so does the secret
(11:25:50 PM) P2: so do the herbs
(11:25:54 PM) P2: so i do agree with you fully
(11:26:05 PM) P2: but it took me very little to see that
(11:26:08 PM) P1: i have a question
(11:26:11 PM) P2: and you are wasting your time on it
(11:26:15 PM) P1: if its the accumpuncture effect
(11:26:29 PM) P1: then it must affect the universe around you right? (according to your beliefs)
(11:26:44 PM) P2: no
(11:26:48 PM) P2: basically
(11:26:53 PM) P2: it affects induviduals
(11:27:00 PM) P2: we shape the universe
(11:27:00 PM) P2: i mean your universe
(11:27:09 PM) P2: what is around you
(11:27:50 PM) P2: well i affect (in some way or another) what is around me, but what makes me have postive affects on it is the accupuncture effect
(11:28:14 PM) P1: so just believing in something you will make lots of money, lose weight, and marry the perfect girl?
(11:28:37 PM) P2: no, you will be abit close to doing so
(11:28:40 PM) P2: well
(11:28:42 PM) P2: i mean
(11:29:05 PM) P2: you will be incouraged to do sp, you will think it works
(11:29:13 PM) P2: but really it doesnt
(11:29:24 PM) P2: its just you
(11:29:41 PM) P1: the only reason yu think im stupid
(11:29:56 PM) P1: is because you are closemnded and you think my opinions are stupid
(11:30:04 PM) P2: you live in an unrealiustic made up world
(11:30:21 PM) P2: a wrold made up by you, and he internet
(11:30:33 PM) P1: oh right and believing jesus will come down and save you is very realistic
(11:30:52 PM) P2: i dont believe in that'
(11:31:08 PM) P1: you believe there is a man in the sky who created the world
(11:31:14 PM) P2: no
(11:31:30 PM) P2: i believe that there is a supreme force in this world, sky for exxample
(11:31:38 PM) P2: that is basically what overloos us
(11:31:43 PM) P2: punishes and awards us
(11:31:46 PM) P1: you believe in god
(11:31:50 PM) P1: personal god
(11:31:59 PM) P1: general god
(11:32:34 PM) P2: i think that god helps everyone even attention seeking rebels like athiests, spiritualists, and the rest...
(11:32:48 PM) P1: and what is god?
(11:33:43 PM) P2: God is (like i said proving you cant comprehednd things_) a forxce of energy somewhere in the universe that punishes, forgives, and saves
(11:34:02 PM) P2: oh i see
(11:34:11 PM) P2: okay
(11:34:17 PM) P1: you believe in the force i believe in my own beliefs
(11:34:22 PM) P1: it does not make me delusional
(11:34:57 PM) P2: i just want to stressthat
(11:35:28 PM) P2: spiritualits, athiests, and everything simular are just attention seekers, who are wasting time...
(11:35:50 PM) P1: you are being egoistical thinking like that
(11:35:56 PM) P1: i have gone beyond judgement like that
(11:36:02 PM) P1: i see people i respect what they do
(11:36:07 PM) P1: and help whoever needs my health
(11:36:09 PM) P1: help*
(11:36:35 PM) P2: i help people who need my help, and yes i said what i thought about what you think
(11:37:23 PM) P1: you believe in your own beliefs and go to a church and yet you say other people with their beliefs are wasting their time. you are doing quite the same thing really. just being egoistical because you way is more "accepted" and more "right"
(11:38:31 PM) P2: no not because im thinking your beliefs are stupid
(11:38:37 PM) P2: i think your beliefs dont even excist
(11:38:47 PM) P2: i think you are just trying to stand out from people
(11:38:50 PM) P2: that reminds
(11:38:51 PM) P2: me
(11:38:57 PM) P1: i am an individual
(11:39:03 PM) P1: i do what makes me happy
(11:39:09 PM) P1: not what makes me "cool" because others say
(11:39:12 PM) P1: that won't make me happy
(11:39:19 PM) P1: and that is why my way for me is the best
(11:39:41 PM) P2: you see the funny thing is that you are still not happy, you are still not "healed", and you are selfish
(11:39:53 PM) P2: ii have a friend
(11:39:56 PM) P2: she is really political
(11:40:01 PM) P2: i think i talked about her before
(11:40:11 PM) P2: she is something n(i forgot what its called0
(11:40:35 PM) P2: where she believes in god, just because she is afraid that he will send her to hell for not believeing in hjim
(11:40:40 PM) P2: thats what really discusts me
(11:40:51 PM) P1: lol
(11:40:56 PM) P1: see i agree with that
(11:41:31 PM) P1: idk im just very curious
(11:41:41 PM) P2: you are basically against all my beliefs
(11:41:44 PM) P2: but
(11:41:54 PM) P1: i try to not be against them
(11:42:00 PM) P1: but not with them either
(11:42:06 PM) P1: im trainning myself
(11:42:17 PM) P1: wait but ok you are not with them w/e
(11:42:19 PM) P2: to let go of my expectations
(11:42:22 PM) P2: you are with your thing
(11:42:27 PM) P2: and your ways of healing
(11:42:30 PM) P2: and stuff
(11:42:38 PM) P2: then how come there is no change nor proof
(11:42:46 PM) P2: of anything like that'
(11:43:04 PM) P1: if you were to open your mind and look for the proof, you will find it.
(11:43:04 PM) P1: herbs treating aids, spiritualism being postive
(11:43:12 PM) P1: and i had real life experiences of it too
(11:43:15 PM) P1: so thats enough proof
(11:43:20 PM) P1: for me
(11:43:29 PM) P1: you dont have to believe me
(11:43:31 PM) P1: its a choice
(11:43:37 PM) P2: i dont
(11:43:47 PM) P2: im just afraid because you want to make people believe that
(11:43:55 PM) P2: notice
(11:44:11 PM) P2: how i never like said anything baout encouraging people to convert toi my religion
(11:44:20 PM) P2: i dont promote it
(11:44:47 PM) P1: i do. i believe its my destiny. but its something you wouldnt understand
(11:45:05 PM) P2: i never encouraged any athiests jews muslims, or spiritualists to become like me
(11:45:17 PM) P2: i just said that their things are ppointless
(11:45:28 PM) P2: you see you say i wouldent unserstand
(11:45:37 PM) P2: you think im just that stupid
(11:45:46 PM) P2: you think you are the smartest
(11:45:48 PM) P2: you say
(11:45:54 PM) P1: when did i the whole day today call you stupid?
(11:46:00 PM) P2: 'you dont have booksmarts but you have other types of smarts
(11:46:06 PM) P2: i really wanna see those smarts
(11:46:09 PM) P2: because me too
(11:46:22 PM) P1: i have more other smarts then book smarts, yet i can actually prove it
(11:46:34 PM) P2 : you say i wont understand
(11:46:36 PM) P2: you said
(11:47:07 PM) P2: genius people told you are smert, and i am no where near alloowed to tell you if you are smart or no because im not a genius
(11:47:28 PM) P2: you know
(11:47:32 PM) P2: i began to like proof
(11:47:49 PM) P2: i stopped being naivee
(11:48:06 PM) P2: i dont see any proof from you at all, thats why i say you are lying
(11:48:17 PM) P1: believe what you want to
(11:48:30 PM) P1: i am not so desperate or egoistical to go around convincing everyone im a genius
(11:48:41 PM) P1: all i needed is self-validation and i have it
(11:49:02 PM) P2: ok so you believe you are smart
(11:49:08 PM) P2: and u want to keep it to yourself
(11:49:18 PM) P2: ok i will kinda buy that
(11:49:22 PM) P2: however
(11:49:38 PM) P2: it may be just you trying to walk around my question, still, proof less
(11:50:25 PM) P1: to you sure
(11:50:29 PM) P1: and to other billions of people
(11:50:34 PM) P1: they need proof that i am smart
(11:50:39 PM) P1: but i wont be doing that
(11:50:44 PM) P1: its really stupid
(11:50:45 PM) P2: ok wait one sec
(11:50:53 PM) P1: i know better than going around convincing people i am smart
(11:51:38 PM) P2: firat of all you always brag about how "smart" you are, also you are giving people the right to call you stupid
(11:51:58 PM) P2: and im wondering how did anybody call you dsmart if you dont show any signs of smartness to people
(11:52:07 PM) P2: and why do you think that person is smart?
(11:52:51 PM) P1: you can tell by learning about them
(11:52:58 PM) P1: who is smart and who is not
(11:53:08 PM) P1: at least in waht you see
(11:53:19 PM) P1: maybe they then go home and create something genius
(11:53:23 PM) P1: that you can never know
(11:53:33 PM) P1: maybe i met geniuses in my school and dont know it
(11:53:40 PM) P1: just because they didnt seem so
(11:53:44 PM) P1: or go bad grades
(11:53:53 PM) P2: im not speaking of grades
(11:54:06 PM) P2: i get you same here i think im a genius and that i can get 1 40 avg if i tried
(11:54:15 PM) P2: 140*
(11:54:19 PM) P2: but
(11:54:32 PM) P2: i cant eb considered a genius if i dont do anything genius?
(11:56:20 PM) P1: depends on you
(11:56:46 PM) P1: i've impressed a good number of people to call me smart many times
(11:57:26 PM) P2: P1 (11:17:50 PM): very few people actually possess the intellect i have
(11:57:34 PM) P2: if you said it priove it!
(11:57:47 PM) P1: why should i?
(11:58:08 PM) P2: because if you dont tehn you cant say it, you become a lair
(11:58:11 PM) P2: liAR
(11:58:19 PM) P1: nope
(11:58:24 PM) P2: it equals me saying that i was the smartest person ever
(11:58:36 PM) P1: lets make it easier
(11:58:41 PM) P1: lying and have personal beliefs are 2 different things
(11:58:59 PM) P1: plus some people wouldnt consider a known genius as smart or genius
(11:59:08 PM) P2: you are the one who is crazed about truth, so why wont you tell it
(11:59:09 PM) P1: its based on perception
(11:59:10 PM) P2: thats not truth
(11:59:13 PM) P2: thats not a fact
(11:59:15 PM) P2: thats nothing
(11:59:22 PM) P2: no prtoof no sir!
(11:59:34 PM) P1: what?
(11:59:52 PM) P2: you are crazed about the truth
(11:59:56 PM) P2: ...
(11:59:59 PM) P1: yes
(12:00:03 AM) P2: ok
(12:00:12 AM) P2: and
(12:00:17 AM) P2: this truth is factual?
(12:00:37 AM) P2: yes
(12:01:34 AM) P2: http://www.answers.com/fact
(12:01:48 AM) P2: so i basically just sidrporved two theories of your own
(12:01:50 AM) P2: im badass
(12:01:53 AM) P2: ill brb
(12:03:01 AM) P1: believe whatever you want
(12:03:02 AM) P2
(12:03:36 AM) P1: if you perceive me as not smart then that's what you think but i have personal beliefs that i am smart
(12:13:07 AM) P1: so are we done?
(12:14:27 AM) P2: wait what did u say after i said im badass
(12:15:02 AM) P1: 2 IMs
(12:15:08 AM) P1: (12:03:01 AM) P1: believe whatever you want
(12:15:14 AM) P1: (12:03:36 AM) P1: if you perceive me as not smart then that's what you think but i have personal beliefs that i am smart
(12:15:17 AM) P1: that's it
(12:16:11 AM) P2: but you said
(12:16:20 AM) P2: you are smarter then most people
(12:16:30 AM) P2: if you havent said that then i wouldnt say what i said
(12:17:17 AM) P1: i never said you have to believe it
(12:17:45 AM) P2: wel you said it
(12:20:32 AM) P1: and i dont want to prove it
(12:20:50 AM) P2: see all this personal choice makes me sick of this
(12:21:07 AM) P1: drop your expectations
(12:21:13 AM) P1: that's what im learning
(12:21:17 AM) P1: or unlearning
(12:21:30 AM) P2: naa w/e
(12:21:32 AM) P2: screw it
(12:21:40 AM) P2: so whats new
(12:22:05 AM) P1: nm
(12:22:37 AM) P2: are you gonna work?
(12:23:01 AM) P1: i'll see
(12:24:29 AM) P2: idk what you are thinking man
(12:24:36 AM) P2: this is perfevt opportunity to work
(12:24:41 AM) P2: experiance
(12:24:46 AM) P2: and well yeah money
Then P1 blocks P2 and P2 calls P1 names and says how selfish he is. I just can't access that small conversation. I will try to write what I remember:
P2: You blocked me?
P1: I blocked you from all my social networks
P2: Little bitch
P2: I see you're scared.
P1: I think that you're just scared. Afraid of the light.
P2: Even X said you're ugly.
P2: Y rejected you
P2: You make your grandma do the work for you!
P1: Don't talk to me ever again!
Saturday, October 27, 2007
Conversation with her after all this time
*****READ THIS FROM BOTTOM TO TOP*****
I didn't mean to do that. I followed you to your train station to tell you that I'm sorry for the first thing that I did. I just didn't know how else I could get you alone. If I realy meant harm I wouldn't have come and said "umm ah I know I hurt you in the past" I could barely say a few sentences I was so nervous. Do you realy think I meant to do harm? I just came to apologize. It isn't called stalking if you just want to reach out to a person you could've hurt and try to apologize.But it seems I went too far. I began liking you too much that I even took 4 hours of energy and effort to write you a letter. I question now if I should have realy done that. But I did mean every word in that letter from my heart and I am proud of myself. I did show the letter to a friend of mine and she loved it. I guess you didn't like that too. Maybe I should find someone that will. Its just me. When I like someone, I like them a lot. I devote so much myself to them. Its true. You were surprised that I would take all that time and effort to write you a letter? But the truth is I liked you a lot before I wrote you a letter and I just wanted to tell you my feelings about you. Yes it came unexpected but that's how I am. I am the one who easily falls in love. I devote all my heart and soul to that person. And I'm also unpredictable. I thought you liked the letter and believed that I actually meant what I wrote but I am beginning to think I was wrong.Well I tried very hard. And what I thought was wrong. I am beginning to think you are not the person I thought you were. If you truly believe from the bottom of your heart that I stalked you and meant wrong to you. If you truly think that I didn't mean what I wrote in my letter. Then you are not the person I thought you were. This is very depressing. I am very sad and very hurt right now. I realy didn't expect you to say things like that espacially when you I told you my feelings about you. And I did many times. I just like to be honest about my feelings. What's wrong with that? Why can't all people be like that. Instead of playing games with each other, tell each other how we feel about each other no matter who that person is. I realy tried. I realy didn't expect this from you. How do you feel now?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 6:34 PM
givin u signs? DUDe where did u get that from??????and yes i said stalked me home!!!!!! what else would u call it?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®Date: Oct 10, 2007 3:32 PM
Oh. I'm sorry I just thought. You were giving me signs...Stalked you home? That time when I first came to apologize?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 6:29 PM
u thought i have feelings for u?????? I HAVE A BOYFRIEND!!!!!hello...i dont wanna be friends with someone that stalked me home!!! do u remember that???? yes no maybe??--------
--------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®Date: Oct 10, 2007 3:16 PM
Realy?I thought it would've been a good idea. I realy do have feelings for you and thought maybe you did the same. I'm very sad now. I was willing to get passed the whole thing that happened before and start over, as friends and nothing more. Come on please, you'll make me very sad?--
--------------- Original Message -----------------
From: crazii blondi
Date: Oct 10, 2007 6:09 PM
not to be mean or anything ( cuz im not) but i dont think thats a good idea ....i dont think we should talk with each other...srrydont take it the wrong way but im really not interested--------
--------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®Date: Oct 10, 2007 3:02 PM
Thanks. My question is what would you think if I approached you and asked you to talk with me? How would you feel if I did that?
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 6:00 PM
yes its a yes
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®
Date: Oct 10, 2007 2:57 PM
Is that a yes :')?
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 5:55 PM
aha...
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®
Date: Oct 10, 2007 11:34 AM
Hello. Can I ask you a question?
I didn't mean to do that. I followed you to your train station to tell you that I'm sorry for the first thing that I did. I just didn't know how else I could get you alone. If I realy meant harm I wouldn't have come and said "umm ah I know I hurt you in the past" I could barely say a few sentences I was so nervous. Do you realy think I meant to do harm? I just came to apologize. It isn't called stalking if you just want to reach out to a person you could've hurt and try to apologize.But it seems I went too far. I began liking you too much that I even took 4 hours of energy and effort to write you a letter. I question now if I should have realy done that. But I did mean every word in that letter from my heart and I am proud of myself. I did show the letter to a friend of mine and she loved it. I guess you didn't like that too. Maybe I should find someone that will. Its just me. When I like someone, I like them a lot. I devote so much myself to them. Its true. You were surprised that I would take all that time and effort to write you a letter? But the truth is I liked you a lot before I wrote you a letter and I just wanted to tell you my feelings about you. Yes it came unexpected but that's how I am. I am the one who easily falls in love. I devote all my heart and soul to that person. And I'm also unpredictable. I thought you liked the letter and believed that I actually meant what I wrote but I am beginning to think I was wrong.Well I tried very hard. And what I thought was wrong. I am beginning to think you are not the person I thought you were. If you truly believe from the bottom of your heart that I stalked you and meant wrong to you. If you truly think that I didn't mean what I wrote in my letter. Then you are not the person I thought you were. This is very depressing. I am very sad and very hurt right now. I realy didn't expect you to say things like that espacially when you I told you my feelings about you. And I did many times. I just like to be honest about my feelings. What's wrong with that? Why can't all people be like that. Instead of playing games with each other, tell each other how we feel about each other no matter who that person is. I realy tried. I realy didn't expect this from you. How do you feel now?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 6:34 PM
givin u signs? DUDe where did u get that from??????and yes i said stalked me home!!!!!! what else would u call it?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®Date: Oct 10, 2007 3:32 PM
Oh. I'm sorry I just thought. You were giving me signs...Stalked you home? That time when I first came to apologize?
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 6:29 PM
u thought i have feelings for u?????? I HAVE A BOYFRIEND!!!!!hello...i dont wanna be friends with someone that stalked me home!!! do u remember that???? yes no maybe??--------
--------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®Date: Oct 10, 2007 3:16 PM
Realy?I thought it would've been a good idea. I realy do have feelings for you and thought maybe you did the same. I'm very sad now. I was willing to get passed the whole thing that happened before and start over, as friends and nothing more. Come on please, you'll make me very sad?--
--------------- Original Message -----------------
From: crazii blondi
Date: Oct 10, 2007 6:09 PM
not to be mean or anything ( cuz im not) but i dont think thats a good idea ....i dont think we should talk with each other...srrydont take it the wrong way but im really not interested--------
--------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®Date: Oct 10, 2007 3:02 PM
Thanks. My question is what would you think if I approached you and asked you to talk with me? How would you feel if I did that?
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 6:00 PM
yes its a yes
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®
Date: Oct 10, 2007 2:57 PM
Is that a yes :')?
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: crazii blondiDate: Oct 10, 2007 5:55 PM
aha...
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ???????®
Date: Oct 10, 2007 11:34 AM
Hello. Can I ask you a question?
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